* Re: SATA status report updated
2005-08-12 5:09 SATA status report updated Jeff Garzik
@ 2005-08-12 5:40 ` Rob van Nieuwkerk
2005-08-12 5:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-12 10:44 ` Matthew Garrett
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From: Rob van Nieuwkerk @ 2005-08-12 5:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik
Cc: Rob van Nieuwkerk, Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel,
SCSI Mailing List
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:09:12 -0400
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com> wrote:
Hi Jeff,
> Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
> software status report:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
Is any progress made on SMART support ?
I've been reading "SMART support will be integrated very soon"
for a very long time now .. :-)
> Thanks to all the hard-working SATA contributors!
Yup, thanks to you & them. SATA has been working perfect in my system
since I started using it 10 months ago !
greetings,
Rob van Nieuwkerk
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2005-08-12 5:40 ` Rob van Nieuwkerk
@ 2005-08-12 5:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-12 18:07 ` David Greaves
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From: Jeff Garzik @ 2005-08-12 5:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rob van Nieuwkerk; +Cc: Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List
Rob van Nieuwkerk wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:09:12 -0400
> Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
>
>>Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
>>software status report:
>>
>> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
>
>
> Is any progress made on SMART support ?
> I've been reading "SMART support will be integrated very soon"
> for a very long time now .. :-)
True enough :/
It's been feature-complete for a while, but the reports from testers in
the field have made me too nervous to push it into the upstream kernel.
I might push it upstream, but disable it by default, which would allow
for a wider test audience.
Jeff
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* Re: SATA status report updated
2005-08-12 5:45 ` Jeff Garzik
@ 2005-08-12 18:07 ` David Greaves
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From: David Greaves @ 2005-08-12 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik
Cc: Rob van Nieuwkerk, Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel,
SCSI Mailing List
Jeff Garzik wrote:
>
> True enough :/
>
> It's been feature-complete for a while, but the reports from testers
> in the field have made me too nervous to push it into the upstream
> kernel.
>
> I might push it upstream, but disable it by default, which would allow
> for a wider test audience.
Could you specify what tests and reports would be useful and what risks
are involved?
Eg If I have 2 SATA drives then could (OK, of course it *could* - but is
it likely) I break sda whilst testing with sdb? I can live with crashes
and hangs and I can mitigate data loss, but I may think twice if it'll
toast the drive.
Nb: I often think that if people bemoaning the lack of testers put a bit
of effort into saying what tests would be useful then more people would
run them.
"Here run this and just say if it crashes" is one approach.
"Try these options, use smartd, turn on debugging like this and send
this part of the output if you have a problem. Previously reported
problems include: <blah, blah blah>. Oh, it's only ever going to affect
the drive you specify and the worst case scenario is a low-level format
using the vendor's download (which may or may not be available)" - makes
me more aware of what I'm getting into.
David
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* Re: SATA status report updated
2005-08-12 5:09 SATA status report updated Jeff Garzik
2005-08-12 5:40 ` Rob van Nieuwkerk
@ 2005-08-12 10:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-08-12 21:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-12 14:18 ` Luben Tuikov
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From: Matthew Garrett @ 2005-08-12 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List, linux-ide
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
> software status report:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
I couldn't see any reference to system-wide power management (ie,
suspend/resume of machines with SATA interfaces) - is any work going on
in that area at the moment?
Thanks,
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.linux-rutgers.kernel@srcf.ucam.org
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2005-08-12 10:44 ` Matthew Garrett
@ 2005-08-12 21:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-13 8:45 ` Erik Slagter
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From: Jeff Garzik @ 2005-08-12 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matthew Garrett; +Cc: Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List, linux-ide
Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
>>software status report:
>>
>> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
>
>
> I couldn't see any reference to system-wide power management (ie,
> suspend/resume of machines with SATA interfaces) - is any work going on
> in that area at the moment?
Jens Axboe @ SuSE posted a patch that needs some work. So, it's on the
radar screen, but I haven't seen any new work recently.
Jeff
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* Re: SATA status report updated
2005-08-12 21:30 ` Jeff Garzik
@ 2005-08-13 8:45 ` Erik Slagter
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From: Erik Slagter @ 2005-08-13 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: Matthew Garrett, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List, linux-ide
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On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 17:30 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
> >>software status report:
> >>
> >> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
> >
> >
> > I couldn't see any reference to system-wide power management (ie,
> > suspend/resume of machines with SATA interfaces) - is any work going on
> > in that area at the moment?
>
> Jens Axboe @ SuSE posted a patch that needs some work. So, it's on the
> radar screen, but I haven't seen any new work recently.
Ah, the sata-suspend patch. Also very needed. Extensively used over here
on various kernels (2.6.11 and 2.6.12 versions), no problems, works like
a charm imho.
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* Re: SATA status report updated
2005-08-12 5:09 SATA status report updated Jeff Garzik
2005-08-12 5:40 ` Rob van Nieuwkerk
2005-08-12 10:44 ` Matthew Garrett
@ 2005-08-12 14:18 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-12 14:18 ` Luben Tuikov
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From: Luben Tuikov @ 2005-08-12 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List
On 08/12/05 01:09, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
> software status report:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
>
> Although I have not updated it in several weeks, folks may wish to refer
> to the hardware status report as well:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html
>
> Thanks to all the hard-working SATA contributors!
Thank you Jeff!
*Incredibly* good work!
Luben
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From: Luben Tuikov @ 2005-08-12 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List
On 08/12/05 01:09, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
> software status report:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
>
> Although I have not updated it in several weeks, folks may wish to refer
> to the hardware status report as well:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html
>
> Thanks to all the hard-working SATA contributors!
Thank you Jeff!
*Incredibly* good work!
Luben
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@ 2005-08-12 14:46 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-12 19:17 ` Mogens Valentin
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From: Luben Tuikov @ 2005-08-12 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List
On 08/12/05 01:09, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
> software status report:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
Good write up. I like the simplicity of error handling.
Thumbs up!
Luben
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@ 2005-08-12 19:17 ` Mogens Valentin
2005-08-12 19:17 ` Mogens Valentin
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From: Mogens Valentin @ 2005-08-12 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List
Jeff Garzik wrote:
>
> Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
> software status report:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
>> Queueing support, NCQ:
>> #3 will be supported by libata, for all hardware and devices that
>> support NCQ.
I guess this means libata support for HW-based NCQ.
It also could mean software/driver implemented NCQ, which could work on
chipsets not supporting HW-NCQ in unison with a disk having NCQ?
> Although I have not updated it in several weeks, folks may wish to refer
> to the hardware status report as well:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html
How well does libata work with the newest ULi chipsets?
If not well, is there a possible timeframe?
(not on kernel list; if anyone there comments on ULi, pls. cc private)
--
Kind regards,
Mogens Valentin
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2005-08-21 17:11 ` Mogens Valentin
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From: Mogens Valentin @ 2005-08-12 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List
Jeff Garzik wrote:
>
> Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
> software status report:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
>> Queueing support, NCQ:
>> #3 will be supported by libata, for all hardware and devices that
>> support NCQ.
I guess this means libata support for HW-based NCQ.
It also could mean software/driver implemented NCQ, which could work on
chipsets not supporting HW-NCQ in unison with a disk having NCQ?
> Although I have not updated it in several weeks, folks may wish to refer
> to the hardware status report as well:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html
How well does libata work with the newest ULi chipsets?
If not well, is there a possible timeframe?
(not on kernel list; if anyone there comments on ULi, pls. cc private)
--
Kind regards,
Mogens Valentin
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* Re: SATA status report updated
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@ 2005-08-12 21:33 ` Jeff Garzik
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From: Jeff Garzik @ 2005-08-12 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: monz; +Cc: Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List
Mogens Valentin wrote:
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
>
>>
>> Things in SATA-land have been moving along recently, so I updated the
>> software status report:
>>
>> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html
>
>
> >> Queueing support, NCQ:
> >> #3 will be supported by libata, for all hardware and devices that
> >> support NCQ.
>
> I guess this means libata support for HW-based NCQ.
> It also could mean software/driver implemented NCQ, which could work on
> chipsets not supporting HW-NCQ in unison with a disk having NCQ?
NCQ by definition -requires- support in the controller chip.
>> Although I have not updated it in several weeks, folks may wish to
>> refer to the hardware status report as well:
>>
>> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html
>
>
> How well does libata work with the newest ULi chipsets?
> If not well, is there a possible timeframe?
No idea. I don't see many bug reports, so I suppose its OK.
Jeff
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* Re: SATA status report updated
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2005-08-21 18:05 ` Jeff Garzik
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From: Mogens Valentin @ 2005-08-21 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: Linux IDE Mailing List, Linux Kernel, SCSI Mailing List
Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Although I have not updated it in several weeks, folks may wish to refer
> to the hardware status report as well:
>
> http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html
Jeff, is it possible for you at this time to comment on support for the
JMicron JMB360 sataII chip? Possible timeframe?
It's starting to be used with the ULi M1695/M1567 chipset.
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Kind regards,
Mogens Valentin
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