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From: Luben Tuikov <luben_tuikov@adaptec.com>
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: libata error handling
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:00:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43062C4F.3070505@adaptec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <430570B5.60109@gmail.com>

On 08/19/05 01:40, Tejun Heo wrote:
>   I genearally agree that the events are somewhat standard for block 
> devices but IMHO SCSI EH also has fair amount SCSI-specific assumptions 
> and ATA is a bit too different from SCSI to fit cleanly into it.  For 
> example, when handling NCQ errors, the whole task set is aborted and the 
> status is retrieved with read log page.  This can be worked around in 
> one of the hooks and emulate SCSI behavior, but it just doesn't really 
> fit well.  And I think that recovering via translation layer is a bit 
> too much translation.
> 
>   So, my thought is that SCSI EH assumptions are a bit too specific to 
> be used as standard for block devices.

Ok, so everyone seems to agree on this.
 
>   It's true that we must do SCSI specific tasks inside libata if we use 
> eh_strategy_handler but I don't think switching to fine-grained EH will 
> reduce the amount of SCSI-specific things inside libata.  I think as 
> long as we can insulate LLDD's from SCSI layer, either way should be 
> okay later.

True, this is the goal.  Separation between device management
and how that device got to you, is the future and should be the
a goal.

>   I agree that being the only user does incur difficulties, but my very 
> subjective feeling is that the original libata EH implementation was 
> just a bit too fragile to start with.  eg. not grabbing host lock on EH 
> entrance causing command completion vs. EH handling race and handling 
> errors in several different ways.
> 
>   Heh... Maybe I'm just reluctant to let go of my patches.  Anyways, 
> I'll now stand down and see how things go and try to help.

Please don't do that.  One thing everyone in the Linux community knows
is that Linux-SCSI needs fresh minds and fresh ideas.  Especially from
knowlegable folks in the storage protocols and standards.

	Luben

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-08-19 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-29  5:06 [RFC][PATCH] libata ATAPI alignment Jeff Garzik
2005-07-29 13:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-08-02  8:27 ` Jens Axboe
2005-08-02 14:31   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-07  5:48 ` Tejun Heo
2005-08-07  5:53   ` [PATCH 1/2] sata: fix sata_sx4 dma_prep to not use sg->length Tejun Heo
2005-08-10 21:24     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-07  5:58   ` Rd: [PATCH 2/2] sata: implement ATAPI alignment adjustment Tejun Heo
2005-08-07  6:17   ` [PATCH 3] sata: restore sg on setup failure Tejun Heo
2005-08-19  3:49   ` libata error handling Jeff Garzik
2005-08-19  5:40     ` Tejun Heo
2005-08-19  5:54       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-19 19:00       ` Luben Tuikov [this message]
2005-08-19 18:46     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 19:38       ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-08-19 20:03         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 20:11           ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-08-19 20:43             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 21:10               ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-08-19 22:37                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-08-19 20:29           ` Mike Anderson
2005-08-19 21:02             ` Luben Tuikov

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