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From: Luben Tuikov <luben_tuikov@adaptec.com>
To: dougg@torque.net
Cc: Richard Bollinger <rabollinger@gmail.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: SATA Drive Information (vs hdparm -i)?
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:22:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43340FB7.3080708@adaptec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43334AFF.8010901@torque.net>

On 09/22/05 20:23, Douglas Gilbert wrote:
> However an improved "sdparm -i" is not what you seem to be
> asking for. Most of the above information is derived from
> the response to the IDENTIFY [PACKET] DEVICE ATA command.
> There seems to be two options for providing this:
>   1) libata to implement ioctls like HDIO_GET_IDENTITY
>   2) libata to implement SCSI ATA Translation [SAT]
>      facilities such as:
>        a) the ATA Information VPD page
>        b) SCSI ATA pass through commands
>        c) MODE SELECT SCSI command
> 
> Option 1) is the simplest but it requires that the SAT layer
> is on the host computer [as it is in the case of libata].
> Hopefully external USB and Firewire storage enclosures will
> be enhanced to support the [draft] SAT standard and in
> that case the SAT layer will be in the enclosure. SATA
> disks [and S-ATAPI devices] in a SAS fabric may either
> tunnel through the SAS fabric [via SAS Tunnelling Protocol
> [STP]] or have a SAT layer in the fabric [typically in the
> enclosure holding the disks].

There will be no SAT layer in a SAS fabric.  STP is just
that, a _tunneling_ protocol.  Thus, either in Option 1,
or Option 2 if you want to present the device to
SCSI Core as a SCSI Device you need SAT somewhere below
SCSI Core (on the host).

In general, lower (hardware) layers want to do the
_absolute_ minimum as far as their function is concerned.

Thus, for example, you can expect an incomplete
USB/IEEE1394 SAT layer on the device.

> Only the STP route allows for option 1) .

Option 2 as well: you'll just treat the device as
SCSI and SAT will emulate as much as possible.

	Luben


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-23 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <7744a2840509221206254d2109@mail.gmail.com>
2005-09-23  0:23 ` SATA Drive Information (vs hdparm -i)? Douglas Gilbert
2005-09-23  0:31   ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-09-23  1:01     ` Richard Bollinger
2005-09-23  1:14       ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-09-23  1:18         ` Richard Bollinger
2005-09-23  1:16       ` Ric Wheeler
2005-09-23  1:20         ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-09-23  1:33           ` Ric Wheeler
2005-09-23  1:06     ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-09-23  1:50   ` Mark Lord
2005-09-23 14:22   ` Luben Tuikov [this message]
2005-09-24  3:18     ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-09-25 14:56       ` Luben Tuikov

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