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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Subject: Re: libata+SGIO:  is .dma_boundary respected?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:29:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4420541E.3070303@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <442051A0.1050200@rtr.ca>

Mark Lord wrote:
> Jens Axboe wrote:
> ..
> 
>> Seems to me that your reasoning is correct. It's a fact that the
>> original block mapped sg lists satisfies all requirements of the device
>> driver and/or hardware, otherwise would be a bug. The iommu may go nuts
>> of course, but logically that new sg list should be choppable into the
>> same requirements.
> 
> 
> I just finished going through all of the arch implementations and,
> as near as I can tell, they only ever *merge* sg list items,
> and never create additional sg entries.
> 
> So low-level drivers (at present) can safely report their real limits,
> and then in their fill_sg() routines they can run around and split up
> any IOMMU merges that their hardware cannot tolerate.

I remain highly skeptical, and would be interested to see James and Ben 
weight in on the subject, as they were the key iommu vmerge people 
around the time libata ata_fill_sg() was originally written (and fixed 
by BenH).


>> It would be much nicer if the iommu actually had some more knowledge,
>> ideally the same requirements that the block layer is faced with. No
>> driver should have to check the mapped sg list.


> Yup.  Absolutely.  So long as they continue to never *add* new sg entries
> (only doing merges instead), then I believe they just need to know the
> device's .dma_boundary parameter.  We could pass this to them as an extra
> parameters, or perhaps embed it into the sg_list data structure somehow.
> 
> In the case of sata_mv on the Marvell 6081 (which I'm looking at this week)
> it's hardware limit is actually 0xffffffff rather than 0xffff.

If the limit is not 0xffff, then there's no need for any of this 
limitation junk.  No s/g entry splitting after pci_map_sg(), no 
artificial sg_tablesize limitation, etc.


> I wonder how well Linux drivers in general deal with that on a 64-bit 
> machine?

Works just fine.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-21 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-19 20:48 libata+SGIO: is .dma_boundary respected? Mark Lord
2006-03-19 21:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-03-19 21:19   ` Mark Lord
2006-03-19 21:38     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-03-19 21:45       ` Mark Lord
2006-03-19 21:54         ` Mark Lord
2006-03-21  1:18           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-03-21  4:43             ` Mark Lord
2006-03-21  6:14               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-03-21 13:59                 ` Mark Lord
2006-03-21 18:42                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-21 19:18                     ` Mark Lord
2006-03-21 19:29                       ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-03-21 19:31                         ` Mark Lord
2006-03-21 19:33                           ` Mark Lord
2006-03-21 19:35                             ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-21 19:38                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-03-21 19:42                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-21 19:43                                 ` James Bottomley
2006-03-21 19:46                                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-21 20:44                                     ` James Bottomley
2006-03-21 21:54                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-03-21 19:31                       ` Jens Axboe
2006-03-21 19:36                         ` Mark Lord
2006-03-21 19:43                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-03-21 20:51                             ` Mark Lord
2006-03-22 11:25                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-03-22 14:52                         ` Mark Lord
2006-03-21  1:15         ` Jeff Garzik

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