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From: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Smietanowski <stesmi@stesmi.com>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Albert Lee <albertcc@tw.ibm.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	Edward Falk <efalk@google.com>,
	Carlos Pardo <Carlos.Pardo@siliconimage.com>,
	Raymond Liu <Raymond.Liu@siliconimage.com>,
	"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] libata EH/NCQ/hotplug/PM git tree
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 19:20:36 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4465B2F4.3040208@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4465AEC0.30300@stesmi.com>

Stefan Smietanowski wrote:
>> Which is understandable considering AHCI doesn't construct FISes itself.
>>  I don't think PM requires more hardware support than being capable for
>> setting PMP in the FISes, which AHCI certainly can (standing down on
>> collision for SDB notify aside).  I can give it a shot but it clearly
>> violates the spec, and even if it works, we would need to print big fat
>> warning message while attaching PM.
>>
> 
> Are you saying that the next big thing since sliced bread (AHCI) that's
> supposed to unite the world and make everybody sing Kumbayah doesn't
> support port multipliers (according to the spec) ?
> 
> Or am I totally misreading this.

Heh heh.

I love AHCI too, but as far as PMS is concerned, AHCI is not saving any 
world.  There's a bit called SPM (supports Port Multiplier) in the 
capability register.  If the bit is set, AHCI support PM by 
command-based switching, which ummm... sucks - only one device can have 
active commands at any given time.  AHCI v1.1 (the current spec) lists 
FIS-based switching PMS as 'to be specified in a future AHCI specification'.

To make matters worse, not many AHCI controllers seem to have that bit 
set.  My ICH7R (P5LD2) doesn't and I would be surprised if any of 
ICH6R/M and ICH7M have that bit set.  Zhao reported that ESB2 (server 
chipset w/ 6 SATA ports) have that bit set, so there are some 
controllers supporting PM out there.

However, cmd-switching PMS doesn't require much support from HBA, and I 
don't see why my ICH7R cannot do PMS.  I'm currently giving it a try now.

So, ATM, if you want PMS, sil3124/3132 series is the best choice.

-- 
tejun

      reply	other threads:[~2006-05-13 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-10  1:44 [ANNOUNCE] libata EH/NCQ/hotplug/PM git tree Tejun Heo
2006-05-10  4:51 ` zhao, forrest
2006-05-10  5:17   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-10  5:36     ` zhao, forrest
2006-05-10  6:29 ` Raz Ben-Jehuda(caro)
2006-05-10  6:33   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-10 13:37 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-05-10 16:44   ` Shem Multinymous
2006-05-11  3:09 ` zhao, forrest
2006-05-11  7:07   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-13  1:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-13  1:36   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-13  3:37     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-13  3:59       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-13  4:09         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-13  4:19           ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-13 10:02         ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-05-13 10:20           ` Tejun Heo [this message]

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