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From: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: ric@emc.com, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	Mark Lord <mlord@pobox.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFT] major libata update
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:29:35 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <446A6E6F.8010201@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <446A678E.8030403@garzik.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> Tejun Heo wrote:
>>> Hmmm.. The drive is issuing SDB FIS which completes already completed 
>>> tags.  This could be dangerous.  Depending on timing, it might end up 
>>> finishing a command which occupied the slot which hasn't been 
>>> processed yet.  If a drive does this, NCQ shouldn't be enabled for 
>>> it.  Can you post full boot dmesg?
>>
>> I'm not sure the data supports that conclusion?  PORT_IRQ_SDB_FIS is 
>> quite normal and expected during NCQ operation, if that interrupt is 
>> enabled.  Just normal SDB:Entry and SDB:SetIntr states.
> 
> Strike that last part:  PORT_IRQ_SDB_FIS will appear, as with other 
> status bits, even if the enable bit is not set.
> 
> So, you'll see that whenever you get an SDB FIS during normal operation.

The problem is with the second dword.  Here are some of spurious SDB 
FISes Ric's AHCI was receiving.

004040a1:10000000
004040a1:00000020
004040a1:00000080

If the second dword were all zero, it's simply SDB FIS turning on IRQ 
(bit 14 of the first dword) and there's nothing to worry about. 
However, all those spurious SDBs have one bit set in the second dword - 
meaning the SDB completes the corresponding tag, but the tag isn't 
active when those SDBs are received.

This is okay as long as the controller thinks the tags are unoccupied 
when those SDBs are received, but it's not something which can be 
guaranteed.  NCQ command synchronization depends on devices not 
completing the same commands more than once.

The duplicate completions might be okay if the drive guarantees it 
doesn't send it if it loses to command issuance.  e.g.

1. drive sends completion for tag x
2. drive shortly schedules another completion for tag x (spurious)
3. ahci/driver complete tag x
4. ahci/driver issues tag x
5. drive receives command for tag x before sending the spurious 
completion and determines not to send the spurious completion. (not very 
likely)

If above is true, the drive might be okay, but nobody can guarantee how 
  various controllers react.  It depends on how controllers manage 
SActive (when to turn bits on).  At any rate, it's dangerous IMHO.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-17  0:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-15 17:00 [RFT] major libata update Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 17:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:06   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 19:06     ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2006-05-15 20:45       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 19:33     ` Mark Lord
2006-05-15 22:52       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-15 18:15   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 18:27     ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:44       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 18:37     ` Alan Cox
2006-05-15 17:19 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-15 17:13   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 18:29 ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-05-15 18:43   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:32     ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-15 23:49       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16  0:04         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16  2:15           ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-15 19:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:02 ` Wakko Warner
2006-05-15 23:00   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:13     ` Wakko Warner
2006-05-15 23:19       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:40     ` Alan Cox
2006-05-15 23:50       ` Wakko Warner
2006-05-15 23:38   ` Alan Cox
2006-05-15 23:47     ` Wakko Warner
2006-05-15 23:45       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:30 ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-15 23:36   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-15 23:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16  0:08     ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-16  3:36     ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-16  3:51       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16  4:33         ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-16 14:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-17 15:25             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2006-05-17 23:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-17 23:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-18  1:48                   ` Alan Cox
2006-05-17 23:49                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-16 15:02           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16  3:55       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16  4:37         ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-16 11:36 ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 14:25   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 15:24     ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 18:29       ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 21:41         ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 22:02           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 23:11             ` Eric D. Mudama
2006-05-17  2:13               ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 23:23             ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  2:09               ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 23:44         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 23:53           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  0:00             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  0:29               ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2006-05-17  1:08                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  1:27                   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  2:26                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  3:05                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-22  7:19                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23 13:59                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  0:31               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  0:50                 ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  0:57                   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  2:22                     ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-17  1:37                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  3:57                         ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-17  4:44                           ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17 11:30                             ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-17 20:45                             ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-17 21:01                             ` Mark Lord
2006-05-17 21:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 21:50                                 ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17 21:56                                   ` Mark Lord
2006-05-17 22:00                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 22:03                                       ` Mark Lord
2006-05-17 22:13                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-18  3:33                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-18  3:26                                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-18 11:58                                         ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-18 12:52                                           ` Mark Lord
2006-05-18 13:22                                             ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-18 13:37                                               ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-17  1:13                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  1:14                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  2:16           ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 23:34       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 23:53         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  2:05 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-17  4:49   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  4:56     ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-17  5:14       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  6:35         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-18 11:24           ` Albert Lee
2006-05-18 11:33             ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-19 10:37               ` Albert Lee
2006-05-19 11:03                 ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-22  3:51                   ` [PATCH 1/1] libata: use polling pio for identify device Albert Lee
2006-05-22  6:24                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23  2:27                       ` Albert Lee
2006-05-18 23:07           ` [RFT] major libata update Andrew Morton
2006-05-19  1:14             ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-19  2:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-19  2:16                 ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-22  7:22           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-21 23:51 ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
2006-05-22  2:42   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-22  3:42     ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
2006-05-22  6:23     ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-05-17  7:35 Matthieu CASTET
2006-05-18  0:36 Brown, Len

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