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From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: Mark Lord <mlord@pobox.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>, Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFT] major libata update
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:22:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <446C751A.20000@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <446C6DF7.6030202@pobox.com>


Mark Lord wrote:
>>
>> A different discussion is what we should do or log when we detect this 
>> - i.e., write cache enabled and barrier ops not supported (disable 
>> write cache?  log a scarier message? ignore it?).  Today's behavior is 
>> probably what most home users want (run as fast as I can, absolute 
>> data integrity over power failures not a big deal) but not the right 
>> behavior for critical data (i.e., forget performance, make sure my 
>> data is always safe ). 
> 
> Yes, 99.99% of Linux users would really complain like mad
> if the *kernel* took over the *policy* decision of disabling
> write-caching.  The long-term kernel rule has always been,
> leave *policy* to user-space.
> 
> Cheers

Agreed - I think that only challenge is for us to make sure that the messages in 
the upstream kernel are informative enough to let people know what this means 
and some level of their exposure.

Maybe the "enterprise" distro install programs would want to treat write barrier 
  like we do support for 3D video card acceleration with a good overview & let 
the user configure the system as best suits their needs.  I think that it is 
still quite difficult to get right today for most casual users...

ric


  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-18 13:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-15 17:00 [RFT] major libata update Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 17:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:06   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 19:06     ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2006-05-15 20:45       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 19:33     ` Mark Lord
2006-05-15 22:52       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-15 18:15   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 18:27     ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-15 18:44       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 18:37     ` Alan Cox
2006-05-15 17:19 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-15 17:13   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 18:29 ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-05-15 18:43   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:32     ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-15 23:49       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16  0:04         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16  2:15           ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-15 19:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:02 ` Wakko Warner
2006-05-15 23:00   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:13     ` Wakko Warner
2006-05-15 23:19       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:40     ` Alan Cox
2006-05-15 23:50       ` Wakko Warner
2006-05-15 23:38   ` Alan Cox
2006-05-15 23:47     ` Wakko Warner
2006-05-15 23:45       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-15 23:30 ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-15 23:36   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-15 23:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16  0:08     ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-16  3:36     ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-16  3:51       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16  4:33         ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-16 14:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-17 15:25             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2006-05-17 23:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-17 23:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-18  1:48                   ` Alan Cox
2006-05-17 23:49                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-16 15:02           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16  3:55       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16  4:37         ` Avuton Olrich
2006-05-16 11:36 ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 14:25   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 15:24     ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 18:29       ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 21:41         ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 22:02           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 23:11             ` Eric D. Mudama
2006-05-17  2:13               ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 23:23             ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  2:09               ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 23:44         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 23:53           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  0:00             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  0:29               ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  1:08                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  1:27                   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  2:26                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  3:05                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-22  7:19                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23 13:59                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  0:31               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  0:50                 ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  0:57                   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  2:22                     ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-17  1:37                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  3:57                         ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-17  4:44                           ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17 11:30                             ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-17 20:45                             ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-17 21:01                             ` Mark Lord
2006-05-17 21:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 21:50                                 ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17 21:56                                   ` Mark Lord
2006-05-17 22:00                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 22:03                                       ` Mark Lord
2006-05-17 22:13                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-18  3:33                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-18  3:26                                       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-18 11:58                                         ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-18 12:52                                           ` Mark Lord
2006-05-18 13:22                                             ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2006-05-18 13:37                                               ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-17  1:13                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  1:14                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  2:16           ` Ric Wheeler
2006-05-16 23:34       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 23:53         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  2:05 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-17  4:49   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  4:56     ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-17  5:14       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-17  6:35         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-18 11:24           ` Albert Lee
2006-05-18 11:33             ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-19 10:37               ` Albert Lee
2006-05-19 11:03                 ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-22  3:51                   ` [PATCH 1/1] libata: use polling pio for identify device Albert Lee
2006-05-22  6:24                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23  2:27                       ` Albert Lee
2006-05-18 23:07           ` [RFT] major libata update Andrew Morton
2006-05-19  1:14             ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-19  2:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-19  2:16                 ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-22  7:22           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-21 23:51 ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
2006-05-22  2:42   ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-22  3:42     ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
2006-05-22  6:23     ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-05-17  7:35 Matthieu CASTET
2006-05-18  0:36 Brown, Len

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