From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [git patch] libata resume fix
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:40:15 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <447C918F.2080801@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0605301122340.5623@g5.osdl.org>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
>On Tue, 30 May 2006, Mark Lord wrote:
>
>
>>Not in a suspend/resume capable notebook, though.
>>
>>I don't know of *any* notebook drives that take longer
>>than perhaps five seconds to spin-up and accept commands.
>>Such a slow drive wouldn't really be tolerated by end-users,
>>which is why they don't exist.
>>
>>
>
>Indeed. In fact, I'd be surprised to see it in a desktop too.
>
>At least at one point, in order to get a M$ hw qualification (whatever
>it's called - but every single hw manufacturer wants it, because some
>vendors won't use your hardware if you don't have it), a laptop needed to
>boot up in less than 30 seconds or something.
>
>And that wasn't the disk spin-up time. That was the time until the Windows
>desktop was visible.
>
>Desktops could do a bit longer, and I think servers didn't have any time
>limits, but the point is that selling a disk that takes a long time to
>start working is actually not that easy.
>
>The market that has accepted slow bootup times is historically the server
>market (don't ask me why - you'd think that with five-nines uptime
>guarantees you'd want fast bootup), and so you'll find large SCSI disks in
>particular with long spin-up times. In the laptop and desktop space I'd be
>very surprised to see anythign longer than a few seconds.
>
> Linus
>
>
With many data centera applications, delayed spin up of SCSI (and
increasingly S-ATA) drives is a feature meant to avoid blowing a circuit
when you spin up too many drives at once ;-)
Ric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-05-30 18:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-05-28 20:34 [git patch] libata resume fix Jeff Garzik
2006-05-29 21:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-30 13:22 ` Mark Lord
2006-05-30 18:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-30 18:40 ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2006-05-30 22:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-31 6:47 ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 6:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-31 22:01 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-05-30 22:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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