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From: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, lkml@rtr.ca, forrest.zhao@intel.com,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/12] libata: implement powersave timer
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:27:30 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44C47662.4010203@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060719202243.GA5445@suse.de>

Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 19 2006, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> Tejun Heo wrote:
>>> Implement powersave timer.  It is primarily for OS-driven HIPS
>>> implementation but can be used for any other PS purpose LLD sees fit.
>>> During normal operation, PS timer is automatically started with
>>> timeout ap->ps_timeout on port idle and stopped when the port becomes
>>> busy.  The timer is also stopped while EH.
>>>
>>> To minimize overhead and allow easy implementation of expected
>>> operation model, ata_ps_timer_worker() is used as timer callback which
>>> invokes LLD supplied ap->ps_timer_fn() if condition meets and also
>>> helps implementing sequenced multi-step operation.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
>> This makes me wonder what Jens thinks about having a device idle timer 
>> and callback at the block level?  At the very least, this feels like it 
>> should be implemented in the SCSI layer, or somewhere other than libata.
> 
> Since this will be used only when the device is idle, we can reuse the
> unplug timer and get it pretty much for free. So I think that's a good
> idea.
> 

Hello, Jeff, Jens.

I agree that the unplug timer can be reused here but I'm not very sure 
about what the high level semantics would be.  This timer tracks link 
idleness and also used to drive link power down sequence.  e.g. For 
host-initiated partial/slumber powersave, the timer will be used like 
the following.

1. Timer for partial PS armed when the link becomes idle (100ms by 
default).  The 'link' abstraction doesn't exist at the block layer yet, 
so this one is already problematic.  I'm thinking of using link-wide 
idleness to implement powersave on ata_piix (ICH8 can access SCRs 
without enabling AHCI address space, hooray!) and possibly PMP.  As 
ICH8s will end up on notebooks, supporting ata_piix is important.

2. On timer expiration, the PS handler is invoked and transits the link 
to partial power state.  As the link also supports slumber mode, it 
re-arms the timer w/ 3s timeout.

3. On timer expiration, the PS handler wakes up the link because SATA 
link cannot transit directly from partial to slumber.  As waking up 
takes time (1ms max by spec), the timer is rearmed (5ms).

4. On timer expiration, the link is put to slumber mode.

In addition, whenever there is any event on the link, the timer is 
reset.  Timer activation and canceling are tightly integrated into 
libata core layer to reduce overhead.

This is very SATA specific and I don't think pushing this to upper layer 
is a good idea.  Link powersave is closely related to transport topology 
and way too low level to be at block layer, IMHO.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun


  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-24  9:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-17  6:52 [PATCHSET] libata: implement runtime link powersave Tejun Heo
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 03/12] libata: add more SATA specific constants and macros to ata.h Tejun Heo
2006-07-19 19:32   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 01/12] libata: add msec_to_jiffies() Tejun Heo
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 04/12] libata: implement ata_all_ports list Tejun Heo
2006-07-19 19:34   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 02/12] libata: add ata_id_has_sata() and use it in ata_id_has_ncq() Tejun Heo
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 06/12] libata: add ata_port_nr_ready() Tejun Heo
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 07/12] libata: implement sata_update_scontrol() Tejun Heo
2006-07-19 19:35   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 05/12] libata: make counting functions global Tejun Heo
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 09/12] libata: implement powersave timer Tejun Heo
2006-07-19 19:48   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-19 20:22     ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-24  7:27       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2006-07-25  8:01         ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 10/12] libata: implement standard powersave methods Tejun Heo
2006-07-19 19:50   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 11/12] ahci: implement link powersave Tejun Heo
2006-07-19 19:51   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 08/12] libata: implement interface power management infrastructure Tejun Heo
2006-07-19 19:45   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-24  8:02     ` Tejun Heo
2006-07-17  6:52 ` [PATCH 12/12] sata_sil24: implement link powersave Tejun Heo
2006-07-19 19:38 ` [PATCHSET] libata: implement runtime " Jeff Garzik
2006-07-24  7:33   ` Tejun Heo

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