From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Brice Goglin <Brice.Goglin@ens-lyon.org>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Gregor Jasny <gjasny@googlemail.com>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, Douglas Gilbert <dougg@torque.net>,
monty@xiph.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.19-rc3 system freezes when ripping with cdparanoia at ioctl(SG_IO)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:14:16 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <455337B8.5000902@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45533468.1060400@gmail.com>
Tejun Heo wrote:
> This works for most PATA ATAPI devices. Most devices detect reversed
> transfer and terminate the command promptly. But this doesn't seem to
> be true for SATA device. Many just hang and time out commands with the
> wrong transfer direction. If you consider that most early SATA ATAPI
> devices are actually PATA + bridge, this is sorta inevitable. The
> PATA-SATA bridge cannot issue D2H FIS to abort the command by itself.
> It's just mirroring the status of PATA side and PATA side doesn't know
> SATA protocol mismatch has occurred.
>
> So, IDENTIFY w/ write-DMA protocol times out after quite some seconds.
> This is where things go worse from bad. SATA controllers which have
> shadow TF registers don't handle timeout conditions very well,
> especially when they're waiting for data transfer. They basically hold
> the PCI bus and hang till the transfer completes (which never happens).
> That's where the hard lock up comes from.
>
> Jens, I think we need to match block sg's behavior to SCSI's. Monty,
> the timeout and hard lock up are due to hardware restrictions. Kernel
> and libata can't do much about it. So, please find other way to detect
> interface.
Mapping 'bidirectional' is a bit difficult. It might be reasonable to
interpret that as "userspace doesn't know" at lower layers, and then
fill in a data transfer direction based on ATA command opcode.
Given that there are stupid apps/libs out there in the field with this
behavior, even if the apps are fixed I think we are stuck with the
stupidities. At the very least, we could abort commands that transfer
data in the opposite direction from indicated, based on a command opcode
table.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-11-09 14:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-29 19:20 2.6.19-rc3 system freezes when ripping with cdparanoia at ioctl(SG_IO) Gregor Jasny
2006-10-29 21:31 ` Ken Moffat
2006-10-29 22:05 ` Brice Goglin
2006-10-30 11:45 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-30 13:14 ` Gregor Jasny
2006-10-30 13:17 ` Gregor Jasny
2006-10-30 13:27 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-09 9:46 ` Brice Goglin
2006-11-09 14:00 ` Tejun Heo
2006-11-09 14:14 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-11-09 20:13 ` Monty Montgomery
2006-11-09 15:50 ` Douglas Gilbert
2006-11-10 10:36 ` Luben Tuikov
2006-11-10 12:58 ` Douglas Gilbert
2006-11-10 20:08 ` Luben Tuikov
2006-11-11 10:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-11 16:39 ` Douglas Gilbert
2006-11-11 19:09 ` Luben Tuikov
2006-11-14 22:52 ` Monty Montgomery
2006-11-09 20:09 ` Monty Montgomery
2006-11-09 22:47 ` Tejun Heo
2006-11-10 16:15 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-10 16:19 ` Brice Goglin
2006-11-10 16:23 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-14 12:24 ` Brice Goglin
2006-11-14 12:29 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-14 12:40 ` Brice Goglin
2006-11-14 12:50 ` Jens Axboe
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