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From: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
Cc: gregkh@suse.de, hugh@veritas.com, dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com,
	oneukum@suse.de, maneesh@in.ibm.com, rpurdie@rpsys.net,
	James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD driver-core] Lifetime problems of the current driver model
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:08:19 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <460D27E3.2050602@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070330165251.7beffc7c@gondolin.boeblingen.de.ibm.com>

Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:58:39 +0900,
> Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's a little bit more convoluted than that.  Module reference count of
>> zero doesn't indicate that there is no one referencing the module.  It
>> just means that the module can be unloaded.  ie. There still can be any
>> number of kobjects with release function backed by the module but as
>> long as all of them can be deleted and released by module exit function,
>> the module is unloadable at that point.
>>
>> IOW, module reference count does not count number of objects depending
>> on the module.  It counts the number of active usages of those objects.
> 
> We must make sure that the module is never deleted while there may be
> calls to ->release functions - the exit function can only return when
> all ->release calls have returned. This can be guaranteed if we (1)
> don't allow the module to unload if there are outstanding kobjects (we
> may need a "self destruct" knob then) or (2) make sure the ->release
> functions are outside of the module (see, for example,
> drivers/s390/s390_rdev.c).

(3) make sure all existing kobjects are released by module exit function.

For example, let's say there is a hypothetical disk device /dev/dk0
driven by a hypothetical driver mydrv.  /dev/dk0 is represented like the
following in the sysfs tree.

/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.0/dk0/{myknob0,myknob1}

Owner of both attrs myknob0 and myknob1 is mydrv and opening either
increases the reference counts of dk0 and mydrv and closing does the
opposite.

* When there is no opener of either knob and the /dev/dk0 isn't used by
anyone.  Reference count of dk0 is 1, mydrv 0.

* User issues rmmod mydrv.  As mydrv's reference count is zero, unload
proceeds and mydrv's exit function is called.

* mydrv's exit function looks like the following.

  mydrv_exit()
  {
	sysfs_remove_file(dk0, myknob0);
	sysfs_remove_file(dk1, myknob1);
	device_del(dk0);
	deinit controller;
	release all resources;
  }

The device_del(dk0) drops dk0's reference count to zero and its
->release is invoked immediately.

This method is widely used to allow modules to be unloaded even when
there still are valid objects if there's no active user.

> (Gah, that stuff is always giving me headaches. Sorry if I'm not making
> sense...)

Yeap, this is confusing.  Hope my explanation makes sense.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-30 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <460CDBA6.5030608@gmail.com>
2007-03-30 12:29 ` [RFD driver-core] Lifetime problems of the current driver model James Bottomley
2007-03-30 13:15   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-30 13:38   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <460D12B8.6050101@gmail.com>
2007-03-30 17:41     ` Greg KH
2007-03-30 18:19     ` James Bottomley
2007-04-01 19:59       ` Tejun Heo
2007-04-02  9:20         ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-02 15:34           ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03  3:08             ` Tejun Heo
2007-04-02  9:33         ` Greg KH
2007-04-02 12:10         ` Maneesh Soni
2007-04-02 19:33       ` Luben Tuikov
     [not found]   ` <d120d5000703300615y7b367d82hb42f1c58ca8a6328@mail.gmail.com>
2007-03-30 17:58     ` James Bottomley
2007-03-30 18:18       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-30 13:19 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-30 13:19   ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-30 13:40     ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-30 13:58       ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-30 14:52         ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-30 15:08           ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2007-03-30 19:31             ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-31  3:12               ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-31  3:15                 ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-31 16:08                 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-31 16:14                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-04-02 19:24                 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-03-30 17:38 ` Greg KH
2007-03-30  9:43 Tejun Heo

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