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From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
To: Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>,
	Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com>,
	Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <linux@treblig.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
	Manoj Kasichainula <manoj@io.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: SATA RAID5 speed drop of 100 MB/s
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:46:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <467F0272.9070903@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070624220723.GA21724@alinoe.com>

Carlo Wood wrote:
>
> The following can be observed:
> 
> 1) There is hardly any difference between the two schedulers (noop
>    is a little faster for the bonny test).
> 2) An NCQ depth of 1 is WAY faster on RAID5 (bonnie; around 125 MB/s),
>    the NCQ depth of 2 is by far the slowest for the RAID5 (bonnie;
>    around 40 MB/s). NCQ depths of 3 and higher show no difference,
>    but are also slow (bonnie; around 75 MB/s).
> 3) There is no significant influence of the NCQ depth for non-RAID,
>    either the /dev/sda (hdparm -t) or /dev/sdd disk (hdparm -t and
>    bonnie).
> 4) With a NCQ depth > 1, the hdparm -t measurement of /dev/md7 is
>    VERY unstable. Sometimes it gives the maximum (around 150 MB/s),
>    and sometimes as low as 30 MB/s, seemingly independent of the
>    NCQ depth. Note that those measurement were done on an otherwise
>    unloaded machine in single user mode; and the measurements were
>    all done one after an other. The strong fluctuation of the hdparm
>    results for the RAID device (while the underlaying devices do not
>    show this behaviour) are unexplainable.
> 
>>From the above I conclude that something must be wrong with the
> software RAID implementation - and not just with the harddisks, imho.
> At least, that's what it looks like to me. I am not an expert though ;)

I'm late tuning in here, but:

(1) hdparm issues only a single read at a time, so NCQ won't help it.

(2) WD Raptor drives automatically turn off "read-ahead" when using NCQ,
which totally kills any throughput measurements.  They do this to speed
up random access seeks; dunno if it pays off or not.  Under Windows,
the disk drivers don't use NCQ when performing large I/O operations,
which avoids the performance loss.

(3) Other drives from other brands may have similar issues,
but I have not run into it on them yet.

Cheers


  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-24 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20070620224847.GA5488@alinoe.com>
     [not found] ` <4679B2DE.9090903@garzik.org>
     [not found]   ` <20070622214859.GC6970@alinoe.com>
2007-06-23  7:03     ` SATA RAID5 speed drop of 100 MB/s Jeff Garzik
2007-06-23  7:54       ` Tejun Heo
2007-06-23 12:53       ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-23 17:30         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-23 22:43         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-24 11:58           ` Michael Tokarev
2007-06-24 12:59             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-06-24 14:21               ` Justin Piszcz
2007-06-24 15:52                 ` Michael Tokarev
2007-06-24 16:59                   ` Justin Piszcz
2007-06-24 22:07                     ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-24 23:46                       ` Mark Lord [this message]
2007-06-25  0:23                       ` Patrick Mau
2007-06-24 15:48               ` Michael Tokarev
2007-07-05 22:12             ` Phillip Susi
2007-06-24  0:54       ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2007-06-24  9:01 Mikael Pettersson

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