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From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Sedkowski <sedmich@gmail.com>,
	trenn@suse.de, Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Disk spin down issue on shut down/suspend to disk
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:24:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46B9D219.6030509@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46B9CFB3.6020402@gmail.com>

Tejun Heo wrote:
> Mark Lord wrote:
>> > Tejun Heo wrote:
>>> >> Michael Sedkowski wrote:
>>>> >>> Dnia 07-08-2007, Wt o godzinie 03:43 +0900, Tejun Heo napisał(a):
>>>>> >>>> Does emergency unload count increase
>>>>> >>>> after each power down? 
>>>> >>> I think I got it.
>>>> >>> Using smartctl I've done a test and shut down, then repeted the test.
>>>> >>> The only values that where diffrent are temperatures and
>>>> >>> Hardware_ECC_Recovered which rised by 6 points.
>>>> >>> However I have no idea which of those is the "emergency count"...
>>>> >>> Full results in attachment.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age  
>>>> >>> Always       -       388
>>> >>
>>> >> I think this is the one.  You can test it by forcefully powering off the
>>> >> machine (press power button for several secs or disconnect AC and
>>> >> battery) and see whether the count increases.
>> > 
>> > FWIW, Tejun, with 2.6.22, my new Seagate 160GB SATA drive (notebook)
>> > increments the "Power-Off_Retract_Count" on each suspend-to-RAM operation.
>> > It does not do any double spin-up/spin-down things though.
>> > 
>> > What a mess.
> 
> Hmmm.. It shouldn't.  libata now issues STANDBYNOW prior to entering
> STR.  Can you instrument code a bit and see whether it actually gets issued?

Heh.. I haven't instrumented it yet, but I did discover a bit more about it:

The Power-Off_Retract_Count incrmenents *only* when there's data in the
on-drive write-cache.  So if I haven't written anything significantly large
before suspending, then it often does NOT increment the retract counter.

But if I copy a couple of multi-MB files around and then suspend (to RAM),
the retract count gets incremented.

So I've now just stuck "hdparm -F /dev/sda" into my suspend script,
and that cures the problem completely for me.  "-F" does a FLUSH_CACHE,
and requires a recent copy of hdparm.

Perhaps libata should also do a FLUSH_CACHE before any STANDBYNOW command,
prior to entering STR, which is what my script is currently now doing..

I'll instrument libata and see what the current sequence is.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-08 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-08-06 23:31           ` Disk spin down issue on shut down/suspend to disk Robert Hancock
2007-08-07  6:41             ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 14:28               ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-07 14:37                 ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 14:45               ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 19:23                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07 20:09                   ` Maciej Rutecki
2007-08-07 20:33                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-07 20:41                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-07 21:28                         ` Maciej Rutecki
2007-08-07 22:30                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-08  9:29                           ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-08  2:56                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 12:24                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-09 21:46                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-08  2:54                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 14:08                     ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 14:14                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 14:24                         ` Mark Lord [this message]
2007-08-08 14:30                           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 15:21                           ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 15:35                             ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 16:20                               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 17:04                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-08-09 15:06               ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-09 18:47                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-08-08  0:23                 ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-08 12:27                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-08-11  2:21                   ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-08 18:58 Al Boldi
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2007-08-08  0:14           ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-08  4:06             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-08  4:26               ` Robert Hancock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-06 12:38 Michael Sedkowski
     [not found] <838f88840708051428p3d65ff42w627af4bc38f57de3@mail.gmail.com>
2007-08-05 21:33 ` Michał sed
     [not found]   ` <6bffcb0e0709080832o30fb21b5vcd09baa8387efcc0@mail.gmail.com>
2007-09-08 21:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-09  9:20       ` Maciek Rutecki
2007-09-09 11:35         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06  5:22 ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 14:23   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-06 14:50     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 15:01       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-06 15:27         ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 15:32         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06 17:03           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 18:21             ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 18:43               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 19:40                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06 19:43                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 22:18                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07  6:56                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07  9:18                     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07  9:31                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 12:56                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07  9:30                     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 23:45                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07  6:53                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 12:51                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07 13:04                       ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 13:35                         ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:16                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07 13:32                           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:45                             ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 14:01                               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-09 15:16                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-09 15:56                                   ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-06 19:25               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-05 21:37 Michał sed

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