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From: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	jeff@garzik.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, albertl@mail.com,
	jens.axboe@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/14] libata: use PIO for misc ATAPI commands
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:55:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <474F0B11.7000205@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <474EE5F8.1030409@gmail.com>

Tejun Heo wrote:
> Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Alan Cox wrote:
>>>> Private command type / transfer length filtering in sata_promise,
>>>> pata_it821x and pata_pdc2027x are removed as core layer filtering is
>>>> more conservative.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
>>> NAK - as before
>>>
>>> This is the wrong way to do stuff. Stop penalizing the 99.99% of users
>>> with perfectly sane hardware. In addition I note that the whitelist for
>>> drives would rapidly be thousands of entries long and unmanagable.
>> Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.  I just don't think
>> that penalty is worth considering and definitely don't think whitelist
>> is necessary at all.
> 
> Also, what do other people think about the subject?  IIRC, Jeff agrees
> with Alan, right?  Albert, Mark, what do you guys think?
...

I'm split on this one.  For fast systems (typical notebook/desktop) it's
almost a non-issue either way.

But a lot of media boxes will be using this code, and they tend to have
very low-power, slow-clockrate CPUs in the 200-800Mhz range, and so the
real-time hit there (from PIO) will have a much more significant impact.

Using DMA as much as possible on those slower platforms is definitely
a plus towards avoiding non-jerky, skipped frames, or start-stoppy DVD recording.

Now the most intensive commands are still DMA under the proposed scheme,
so it's not those that one would be concerned with.  But dropping to PIO
even for a few uncommon commands will still peg a real-time hit or two
on a slower media processor.

So..  ????


  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-29 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-29 14:33 [PATCHSET] libata: improve ATAPI data transfer handling, take #2 Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 01/14] libata: update atapi_eh_request_sense() such that lbam/lbah contains buffer size Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 15:51   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 19:27   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-05  0:47     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 02/14] cdrom: add more GPCMD_* constants Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 03/14] libata: rename ATA_PROT_ATAPI_* to ATAPI_PROT_* Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 15:52   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 04/14] libata: add ATAPI_* cmd types and implement atapi_cmd_type() Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 05/14] libata: make ->data_xfer return the number of consumed bytes Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 15:55   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 16:06     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 17:42       ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 18:00         ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 18:24           ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 18:57             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-29 19:37               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-29 19:36             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-29 21:22               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 19:30   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-05  0:49     ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-05  1:05       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 06/14] libata: improve ATAPI draining Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 15:59   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 16:09     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 16:42     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 17:40       ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 18:11         ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 18:19           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 10:06   ` Albert Lee
2007-12-05  1:00     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 07/14] libata: make atapi_request_sense() use sg Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 08/14] libata: kill non-sg DMA interface Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 16:00   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 19:31   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-05  1:02     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 09/14] libata: change ATA_QCFLAG_DMAMAP semantics Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 10/14] libata: convert to chained sg Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 11/14] libata: add qc->dma_nbytes Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 16:02   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 19:33   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-05  1:02     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 12/14] libata: implement ATAPI drain buffer Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 13/14] libata: implement ATAPI per-command-type DMA horkages Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 16:04   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 16:10     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 14:33 ` [PATCH 14/14] libata: use PIO for misc ATAPI commands Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 16:05   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 16:14     ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 16:16       ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-29 18:55         ` Mark Lord [this message]
2007-11-29 22:52           ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-30  1:03             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-30  1:34               ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-30  4:19                 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-30 13:40                 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-30 13:59                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-11-30 14:12                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-30 15:36                     ` Alan Cox
2007-11-30 13:09             ` Alan Cox
2007-11-29 17:38       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 19:34   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-05  1:14     ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-05 12:47       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-05 13:03         ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-05 14:01           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-05 14:22             ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-05 14:46               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-05 15:13                 ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-05 18:52                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-06 11:03                 ` Petr Vandrovec
2007-12-06 11:10                   ` Tejun Heo

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