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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>, Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Allen Martin <AMartin@nvidia.com>, Peer Chen <pchen@nvidia.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH #upstream-fixes] sata_nv: disable ADMA mode by default
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:58:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4785B3F6.4000802@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <478246AE.3020500@gmail.com>

Tejun Heo wrote:
> There still are remaining issues with ADMA support.  Disable it by
> default and warn when enabling.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
> ---
> Jeff, please hold off till Robert acks.  Robert, what do you think?
> 
>  drivers/ata/sata_nv.c |    5 ++++-
>  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

Don't worry, I won't "pull the trigger" immediately and without a lot of 
discussion.  (and please help keep nvidia cc'd on changes to sata_nv)

Current sleepless (thus discountable? :)) thoughts:

* definitely leaning towards adma=0 default.  if distros are disabling 
it, and upstream is not, that's a big hint :)

* By switching to the tried-and-true legacy-IDE-like interface, adma=0 
seems to make a lot of problems go away.

* It is so late in 2.6.24-rc, it seems unlikely that we have enough time 
for testing such a major, fundamental behavior change in sata_nv, this 
late in the game.

If it weren't for the time factor, I would be in favor of applying the 
patch and getting test results.

Overall, while I do have docs under NDA (the only one in the world 
outside of NV?), they are pretty bare bones.  And the ADMA interface, 
while found on many thousands of NV chips, was only one rev -- CK804 -- 
and is no longer being used.  NV uses AHCI now.

I think ADMA is an experiment that failed, in both the software sense 
and the hardware sense.  The effort Robert has put into the ADMA code, 
fixing many bugs (I think I have a fix from him still to be applied, 
during my absence) is frankly amazing given the limits, but IMO ADMA is 
just "not there."

If docs were available and NV actively supported the ADMA mode, things 
would probably be different, but they aren't.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-10  5:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-07  9:25 disabling sata_nv ADMA for 2.6.24 Tejun Heo
2008-01-07 15:15 ` Mark Lord
2008-01-07 15:35   ` [PATCH #upstream-fixes] sata_nv: disable ADMA mode by default Tejun Heo
2008-01-10  5:58     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2008-01-10  6:29       ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-07 23:35   ` disabling sata_nv ADMA for 2.6.24 Robert Hancock
2008-01-07 23:56     ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-08  0:12       ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-08  1:01         ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-08  1:16           ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-08  2:29             ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-08  2:53               ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-08  2:55                 ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-08  3:01                   ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-08  3:08                     ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-08  9:58                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-08 14:40                         ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-09  1:58                           ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-09  2:00                             ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-09  3:50                               ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-09  5:09                                 ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-10  0:33                                   ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-10  6:59                                     ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-11  7:54                                     ` fixed a bug of adma in rhel4u5 with HDS7250SASUN500G Kuan Luo
2008-01-11 14:29                                       ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-11 21:57                                         ` David Milburn
2008-01-12  1:07                                       ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-14  3:08                                         ` Kuan Luo
2008-01-14  5:20                                           ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-14  6:23                                             ` Kuan Luo
2008-01-23  9:32                                             ` sata_nv and 2.6.24 (was Re: fixed a bug of adma in rhel4u5 with HDS7250SASUN500G.) Jeff Garzik
2008-01-23 14:44                                               ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-24  1:42                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-01-24  1:53                                                   ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-24  0:43                                           ` fixed a bug of adma in rhel4u5 with HDS7250SASUN500G Robert Hancock
2008-01-24  3:20                                             ` Kuan Luo
2008-01-28 23:50                                               ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-29  2:48                                                 ` Kuan Luo
2008-01-29  4:59                                                 ` Kuan Luo

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