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From: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ide <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <Jens.Axboe@oracle.com>,
	FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND number 2] libata: eliminate the home grown dma padding in favour of that provided by the block layer
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:07:02 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47A7B6B6.2050801@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1202172826.3096.163.camel@localhost.localdomain>

James Bottomley wrote:
>>>> No, it doesn't.  Drain needs to extend the sg table too 
>>> The patches do extend the sg table.
>> Hmm... Where?
> 
> It's the block component; it's already in git head with this patch:
> 
> commit fa0ccd837e3dddb44c7db2f128a8bb7e4eabc21a
> Author: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
> Date:   Thu Jan 10 11:30:36 2008 -0600
> 
>     block: implement drain buffers
> 
> The description is pretty reasonable.  The way it works is by making
> block add the drain buffer to the sg table as the last element.
> 
> The way it works is if you simply use the length block gives you, you
> find yourself doing DMA to every element in the sg table except the last
> one.  If you expand the length to anything up to blk_rq_drain_size() you
> then use the last element for the drain.

Oops, I was talking about padding.  Sorry about that.

>> Adjusting qc->nbytes isn't enough.  libata will have to trim at the end
>> of sglist.  With both draining and padding, it means libata will have to
>> trim one sg entry and a few more bytes.  Block layer is behaving
>> differently and in a very noticeable way, it's sending inconsistent
>> values in data_len and sg list.
> 
> No, that's the point.  With all the space available, you don't need to
> trim at all ... you simply don't use it.  The rationale is the way the
> sg element stuff works.  If you program a DMA table (PRD table in IDE
> speak) into a controller, it doesn't care if you don't use the last few
> pieces.  With the default length set, the DMA controller won't use the
> last programmed element, but it's their if you expand the length or tell
> it to for an overrun.

Not all controllers have a place to set 'default length'.  They just run
till sg list terminates.

>> Okay, I see your point.  The biggest problem is that by doing that blk
>> layer breaks a pretty important rule - keeping data len consistent with
>> sg list and the bugs it's gonna cause will be very subtle and dangerous.
>>  This is definitely where we can spend four extra bytes.
> 
> The lengths don't have to be consistent (otherwise we wouldn't need to
> calculate them separately) the request reported length just has to be
> less than the sg table actual length.  We even make use of this property
> in SCSI when we can't fit a request into a single command ... we are
> allowed to chunk up the request as we complete it.  I'm not saying it's
> best practice, but it is acceptable behaviour.

libata definitely isn't ready for that and I don't think expanding the
behavior to whole block layer is a wise thing to do when the best
practice can be bought at the cost of 4 bytes per request.  No?

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-05  1:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-31 21:56 [PATCH] libata: eliminate the home grown dma padding in favour of that provided by the block layer James Bottomley
2007-12-31 22:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-01-03  7:58 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-01-03 15:12   ` James Bottomley
2008-01-09  2:10 ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-09  4:24   ` James Bottomley
2008-01-09  5:13     ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-09 15:13       ` James Bottomley
2008-01-18 23:14 ` [PATCH RESEND] " James Bottomley
2008-02-01 19:40   ` [PATCH RESEND number 2] " James Bottomley
2008-02-01 20:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-01 21:09       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-03  3:04         ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-03  4:32           ` James Bottomley
2008-02-03  7:37             ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-03 14:38               ` James Bottomley
2008-02-03 15:14                 ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-03 16:12                   ` James Bottomley
2008-02-03 16:38                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-03 17:12                       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-04  1:21                         ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-04  1:28                     ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-04  9:25                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-04 14:43                         ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-04 16:23                           ` James Bottomley
2008-02-05  0:06                             ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-05  0:32                               ` James Bottomley
2008-02-05  0:43                                 ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-05  0:53                                   ` James Bottomley
2008-02-05  1:07                                     ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2008-02-05  5:03                                       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-05  5:22                                         ` Tejun Heo
2008-02-04 15:43                         ` James Bottomley

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