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From: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: jeff@garzik.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: improve FLUSH error handling
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:24:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47EBAE2B.8070102@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <12066128663306-git-send-email-htejun@gmail.com>

Tejun Heo wrote:
>
> As the code is being smart against retrying needlessly, it won't be
> too dangerous to increase the 20 tries (taken from Alan's patch) but I
> think it's as good as any other random number.  If anyone knows any
> meaningful number, please chime in.  The same goes for 60 secs timeout
> too.
..

I really think that we should enforce a strict upper limit on the time
that can be spent inside the flush-cache near-infinite loop being introduced.

Some things rely on I/O completing or failing in a time deterministic manner.

Really, the entire flush + retries etc.. should never, ever, be permitted
to take more than XX seconds total.  Not 60 seconds per retry, but XX seconds
total for the original command + however many retries we can fit in there.

As for the value of XX, well.. make it a sysfs attribute, with a default
of something "sensible".   The time bounds is really dependent upon how
quickly the drive can empty its onboard cache, or how large a cache it has.

Figure the biggest drives will have no more than, say 64MB of cache for
many years (biggest SATA drive now uses 16MB).  Assuming near-worst case
I/O size of 4KB, that's 16384 I/O operations, if none were adjacent on disk.

What's the average access time these days?  Say.. 20ms worst case for any
drive with a cache that huge?   That's unrealistically slow for data that's
already in the drive cache, but .. 16384 * .020 seconds = 328 seconds.

Absolute theoretical worst case for a drive with a buffer 4X the largest
current size:  328 seconds.  Not taking into account having bad-sector
retries for each of those I/O blocks, but *nobody* is going to wait
that long anyway.  They'll have long since pulled the power cord or 
reached for the BIG RED BUTTON.

On a 16MB cache drive, that number would be 328 / 4 = 82 seconds.

That's what I'd put for the limit.
But we could be slighly nonsensical and agree upon 120 seconds.  :)

Cheers




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-27 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-27 10:14 [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: improve FLUSH error handling Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 10:14 ` [PATCH 1/4] libata: make ata_tf_to_lba[48]() generic Tejun Heo
2008-04-04  7:45   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-27 10:14 ` [PATCH 2/4] libata: implement ATA_QCFLAG_RETRY Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 10:14 ` [PATCH 3/4] libata: kill unused ata_flush_cache() Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 10:14 ` [PATCH 4/4] libata: improve FLUSH error handling Tejun Heo
2008-04-04  7:46   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-27 10:23 ` Debug patch to induce errors on FLUSH Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 14:24 ` Mark Lord [this message]
2008-03-27 14:35   ` [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: improve FLUSH error handling Mark Lord
2008-03-27 15:31     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-27 18:01     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28  1:57     ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-28  2:33       ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 13:36         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28 14:52           ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-28 14:53             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28 15:16               ` Alan Cox
2008-03-28 16:57                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28 16:04             ` Mark Lord
2008-03-27 17:53   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-27 18:52     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-27 20:23       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28  7:46   ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-28  8:30     ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-28  8:48       ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-28  8:53         ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 17:51 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-27 18:53   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-27 22:00   ` Alan Cox
2008-03-28  2:02   ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-28  9:48     ` Alan Cox

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