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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
Cc: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: SATA "target mode" (or "Channel-to-Channel" comm mode)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:16:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49AD3BA5.3080603@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49AD34F4.8090008@rtr.ca>

Mark Lord wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> Within the next couple of weeks, I would like to submit patches
> for 2.6.30 for a simple form of what Marvell likes to call "target mode",
> or C2C (channel-to-channel communications).
> 
> This is for sata_mv.
> 
> The question is, how to expose an interface to actually access it?
> 
> Quick background on Marvell C2C:
> 
> 1. C2C is only for Gen2 and Gen2e chipsets.
> 
> 2. Requires a special SATA cross-over (simple twist) cable
>    between two SATA ports.  Ports can be on the same host
>    adaptor or on separate adaptors and/or machines.
> 
> 3. Each sata_mv port can be either a (0) normal SATA host,
>    or (1) special SATA C2C initiator, or (2) a SATA target device.
> 
> 4. A Gen2e mode (2) target can connect/communicate with either
>    a mode (0) host or a mode (1) initiator.  I'm not yet sure
>    whether an older Gen2 target can connect with a mode (0) host.
> 
> 5. Mode (1) initiator appears to relax requirements such as waiting
>    for a device BUSY bit to clear etc., and is intended for simple
>    channel-to-channel communications.
> 
> 6. A boot/module parameter seems to be the best way to enable
>    this feature, as otherwise libata wastes a lot of time and
>    effort probing for non-existant drives and slowing down
>    the boot process.
> 
> 7. Initially, all that we want is a way to use two SATA ports
>    (on the same or different machines) as a simple byte-stream
>    communications channel, between a mode (1) inititiator
>    and a mode (2) target.  This is used in real-life as a high-speed
>    local comm channel between halves of split server machines.
> 
> 8. Transparently emulating a SATA drive is possible on Gen2e chips
>    at least, and perhaps also on Gen2 chips.  This is not being
>    worked on at this time.
> 
> 9. Using two ports in tandem, one mode (0) host and one mode (2) target,
>    one can construct a quite capable SATA capture/analyzer device
>    which could be inserted in between any other SATA host and device.
>    Quite useful, and something I intend to work on later this year.
> 
> So, starting with simple stuff, I want to expose an interface for
> point 7 above.  The thought is to use netlink for this, on both ends.
> 
> An alternative might be to tie it into the SCSI Target Framework (tgt).
> But that is more for full target device emulation than for simple comms.
> And SATA is not SCSI, so it could really restrict/prevent us from doing
> a full SATA emulation (eg. point 9) in the end.
> 
> Time is short, so I'd like to spend it on something that Jeff would
> actually accept.  Thus this email.

It depends on the task.

The miscdev (i.e. chrdev) interface found in drivers/scsi/scsi_tgt_if.c 
of repo [1] seems pretty generic, simple, small and applicable to 
portions of the problem presented here...  The basic task in 
scsi_tgt_if's case is just shoveling packets to/from userspace.

The interface is going to depend on the implementations that wind up in 
the field, for each task.

SATA packet capture:  highly useful, but implies _copying_ the packets 
before passing them on to regular channels.  So, does this imply packets 
will be copied kernel->userspace->kernel ?  kernel->kernel?  The 
interface will be vastly different in each case.

SATA target:  again, userspace or kernel?  Presumably scsi_tgt_if.c is 
applicable to this task.

Also, in general, it sounds like we need a general way to put a port 
into a specific mode (initiator, target, vendor special) during runtime. 
  Then create a module parameter that allows boot-time initialization of 
this port mode selector.

	Jeff



[1] 
http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/tomo/linux-2.6-target.git;a=summary


  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-03 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-03 13:47 SATA "target mode" (or "Channel-to-Channel" comm mode) Mark Lord
2009-03-03 14:16 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-03-03 14:37   ` Mark Lord
2009-03-03 15:59     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-03-03 16:12       ` Mark Lord
2009-03-03 16:16     ` James Bottomley
2009-03-03 16:38       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-03-05 12:15       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-03-06 11:34 ` Jeff Garzik

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