From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
Cc: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: SATA "target mode" (or "Channel-to-Channel" comm mode)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:16:05 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49AD3BA5.3080603@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49AD34F4.8090008@rtr.ca>
Mark Lord wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Within the next couple of weeks, I would like to submit patches
> for 2.6.30 for a simple form of what Marvell likes to call "target mode",
> or C2C (channel-to-channel communications).
>
> This is for sata_mv.
>
> The question is, how to expose an interface to actually access it?
>
> Quick background on Marvell C2C:
>
> 1. C2C is only for Gen2 and Gen2e chipsets.
>
> 2. Requires a special SATA cross-over (simple twist) cable
> between two SATA ports. Ports can be on the same host
> adaptor or on separate adaptors and/or machines.
>
> 3. Each sata_mv port can be either a (0) normal SATA host,
> or (1) special SATA C2C initiator, or (2) a SATA target device.
>
> 4. A Gen2e mode (2) target can connect/communicate with either
> a mode (0) host or a mode (1) initiator. I'm not yet sure
> whether an older Gen2 target can connect with a mode (0) host.
>
> 5. Mode (1) initiator appears to relax requirements such as waiting
> for a device BUSY bit to clear etc., and is intended for simple
> channel-to-channel communications.
>
> 6. A boot/module parameter seems to be the best way to enable
> this feature, as otherwise libata wastes a lot of time and
> effort probing for non-existant drives and slowing down
> the boot process.
>
> 7. Initially, all that we want is a way to use two SATA ports
> (on the same or different machines) as a simple byte-stream
> communications channel, between a mode (1) inititiator
> and a mode (2) target. This is used in real-life as a high-speed
> local comm channel between halves of split server machines.
>
> 8. Transparently emulating a SATA drive is possible on Gen2e chips
> at least, and perhaps also on Gen2 chips. This is not being
> worked on at this time.
>
> 9. Using two ports in tandem, one mode (0) host and one mode (2) target,
> one can construct a quite capable SATA capture/analyzer device
> which could be inserted in between any other SATA host and device.
> Quite useful, and something I intend to work on later this year.
>
> So, starting with simple stuff, I want to expose an interface for
> point 7 above. The thought is to use netlink for this, on both ends.
>
> An alternative might be to tie it into the SCSI Target Framework (tgt).
> But that is more for full target device emulation than for simple comms.
> And SATA is not SCSI, so it could really restrict/prevent us from doing
> a full SATA emulation (eg. point 9) in the end.
>
> Time is short, so I'd like to spend it on something that Jeff would
> actually accept. Thus this email.
It depends on the task.
The miscdev (i.e. chrdev) interface found in drivers/scsi/scsi_tgt_if.c
of repo [1] seems pretty generic, simple, small and applicable to
portions of the problem presented here... The basic task in
scsi_tgt_if's case is just shoveling packets to/from userspace.
The interface is going to depend on the implementations that wind up in
the field, for each task.
SATA packet capture: highly useful, but implies _copying_ the packets
before passing them on to regular channels. So, does this imply packets
will be copied kernel->userspace->kernel ? kernel->kernel? The
interface will be vastly different in each case.
SATA target: again, userspace or kernel? Presumably scsi_tgt_if.c is
applicable to this task.
Also, in general, it sounds like we need a general way to put a port
into a specific mode (initiator, target, vendor special) during runtime.
Then create a module parameter that allows boot-time initialization of
this port mode selector.
Jeff
[1]
http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/tomo/linux-2.6-target.git;a=summary
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-03 14:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-03 13:47 SATA "target mode" (or "Channel-to-Channel" comm mode) Mark Lord
2009-03-03 14:16 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-03-03 14:37 ` Mark Lord
2009-03-03 15:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-03-03 16:12 ` Mark Lord
2009-03-03 16:16 ` James Bottomley
2009-03-03 16:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-03-05 12:15 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2009-03-06 11:34 ` Jeff Garzik
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