From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeff Garzik Subject: Re: LSF Papers online? Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:14:54 -0400 Message-ID: <49E518EE.1000104@garzik.org> References: <49E335BA.3020103@panasas.com> <200904141654.24067.bzolnier@gmail.com> <20090414175441.5ce1f59d@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <200904150009.06539.bzolnier@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from srv5.dvmed.net ([207.36.208.214]:35595 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750839AbZDNXPL (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:15:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200904150009.06539.bzolnier@gmail.com> Sender: linux-ide-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-ide@vger.kernel.org To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz Cc: Alan Cox , Jonathan Corbet , Boaz Harrosh , James Bottomley , Zach Brown , Chris Mason , Tejun Heo , linux-scsi , Linux IDE mailing list Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > We actually used quite a lot of libata PATA changes on the host driver front > (though because of the lack of incremental libata PATA changes and the need > to fix some IDE specific issues first this was not that easy) so maybe if we > could agree on some mid-point way back in 2005 we would be in a completely > different place today. > > Lets not repeat the history again. > >>> The fact that it is much harder to do nowadays than in 2004-2005 (without >>> ATAPI support, PATA support and heavy dependence on SCSI infrastructure) >>> is only _your_ fault. >> Really - you could have contributed too. Anyway I wrote most of the PATA >> bits, Tejun wrote a ton of stuff including EH, and Albert Lee wrote >> chunks of it too. > > I did a bit work. Check your host drivers. :) > >> So that would be Red Hat, SuSE and IBM who are to blame right, not just >> Jeff ? Sounds like a conspiracy to me ;) > > There is no conspiracy there. > > Just the good old game known from elsewhere. > > Top layer modern day kernel hacking is based on business principles. > > However, like they say "Hate the Game, Not the Player". :) > > There is really nothing wrong with it as long as we don't state > otherwise to new people so they are fully aware of the situation. Actually, libata got started even before I was at Red Hat. As I alluded to at the bottom of the libata announcement[1], rewriting the IDE driver into something clean and modern was one of my Projects To Do Before I Die -- that is, projects not sponsored by any business or group or conspiracy, but rather things I feel personally are very important to the advancement of Linux. And I have been very fortunate that other talented hackers (including yourself) have been willing to work on one of my dream projects. Jeff [1] http://www.kernel-traffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20030616_219.html#7