From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Grant Grundler <grundler@google.com>
Cc: linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] libata: rewrite SCSI host scheme to be one per ATA host
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:00:54 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F04A66.4080303@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da824cf30904221208l42e41d38g5af52b1b3b5ea9a1@mail.gmail.com>
Grant Grundler wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> wrote:
>> Currently, libata creates a Scsi_Host per port. This was originally
>> done to leverage SCSI's infrastructure to arbitrate among master/slave
>> devices, but is not needed for most modern SATA controllers. And I
>> _think_ it is not needed for master/slave if done properly, either.
>>
>> The patch below converts libata such that there is now a 1:1
>> correspondence between struct Scsi_Host and struct ata_host. ATA ports
>> are represented as SCSI layer 'channels', which is more natural.
>
> Jeff,
> So far in reading this, the only reasons I gather for changing this
> mapping are "not needed" and "is more natural". Data Center
> environments (not just Google's) like to track disks in many different
> ways, including the SCSI identifiers since this one "key" for physical
> location. Breaking the current mappings is going to cause some people
> a world of pain since they will need to manually build (and integrate)
> old->new maps of the SCSI identifiers. Can you propose some real,
> tangible benefit to making this change? (e.g. enables some other
> feature)
Sure there are compat issues, just like there are compat issues with the
existing consensus goal of moving libata to the block layer -- part of
which implies that ATA disks would be served via a "native" block device
rather than drivers/scsi/sd.c.
So at least to me, it is axiomatic that these issues will be examined.
As to benefits, the phrase "more natural" means the code naturally
aligns with existing object topologies (ata_host becomes analagous to
Scsi_Host), which always has a long list of technical benefits.
- we get to remove all the ugly hacks currently in place that assume
ata_port is _the_ first class object.
- we get to remove all the workarounds where SCSI assumes it manipulates
all devices on a controller (not true in current libata)
- SCSI (soon block) host-wide busy, block etc functionality now works as
expected
- it makes the libata conversion from SCSI to block layer easier
- it makes integration with SAS+SATA devices such as mvsas or ipr easier
- the list goes on; that is just off the top of my head, before my
morning Mountain Dew
"more natural" also solves a longstanding user confusion/complaint about
libata: users expected that libata would export each ATA "channel"
(bus) as a SCSI channel.
> Mark already pointed out this might cause issues with Error Handling
> (forcing a review of all that code). So before triggering other
> developers (e.g. HW vendors) do that kind of work I'd like to hear
> what the reward is going to be at the end.
Are you aware that EH is already receiving a stream of updates, moving
it from SCSI to the block layer? This area has been in constant motion
since, well, Tejun arrived and started improving things! :)
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-23 11:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-22 9:09 [PATCH] libata: rewrite SCSI host scheme to be one per ATA host Jeff Garzik
2009-04-22 9:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-22 12:16 ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-04-22 15:10 ` Daniela Engert
2009-04-22 15:18 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-22 15:37 ` James Bottomley
2009-04-22 16:27 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-22 18:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-22 19:27 ` James Bottomley
2009-04-22 16:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-23 6:35 ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-23 10:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-23 10:43 ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-22 13:09 ` Mark Lord
2009-04-22 16:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-22 19:08 ` Grant Grundler
2009-04-23 11:00 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-04-23 17:59 ` Grant Grundler
2009-04-23 18:09 ` James Bottomley
2009-04-24 11:00 ` Stefan Richter
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