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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, Brian King <brking@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: old-EH and SAS (was Re: [PATCH 2/2] block: add function for waiting for a specific free tag)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:34:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A145B5D.8020607@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A13EFBC.4010005@gmail.com>


(changing subject...)

> there won't be any race around it (the old-EH path is broken if
> invoked with commands in flight anyway, so doesn't matter).  Also, as

Speaking of the old-EH...  as of 
67651ee5710c45ea62fae68b768d65395ccf47c2 there are no drivers/ata/* 
drivers remaining that use old-EH.

old-EH now exists _entirely_ for a couple SAS drivers, and it is an ugly 
hack, so I wanted to take a moment to think about SAS, SATA, and 
SATA+SAS error handling.

The currently we have a few distinct phy+link configurations that EH 
must deal with, and each requires its own implementation (this ignores 
legacy SFF and other non-phy topologies):

1) SATA PHY.  This is what libata EH handles now: direct control over 
SATA PHY and link.

2) SAS+SATA PHY.  Essentially a super-set of #1, this includes nested 
expander configurations, direct attachment of SAS or SATA, etc.  Uses 
libsas.

3) SAS+SATA firmware.  Not quite as "low level" as #2, does not use libsas.

Each one of these clearly should use the same code for configuring and 
managing ATA devices, including per-device EH.

Move up to the link level, and things start to get ugly.

_Ideally_, libsas should take over all of link exception handling from 
libata, except for the final-link PMP handling.  In reality, I think we 
will have to deal with libsas doing 100% of link EH including PMP 
handling, and libata will continue to perform link EH w/ PMP for !libsas 
hardware.

The integration of discovery is pretty poor -- you wind up with one glob 
of SATA devices and another glob of SCSI devices, with two separate 
EH+scan processes.  Ideally libsas should tell libata to scan a single 
SATA phy, and handle parallelism/exclusion in libsas for SATA+SAS 
configurations.

Brian King did a new-EH conversion for ipr, some time ago.  Maybe that 
work could be picked up, extended to libsas, and permit removal of all 
the old-EH code remaining in libata.

Maybe I should s/eng_timeout/sas_timeout/ to emphasize the current state 
of code ;-)

	Jeff





  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-20 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-20  6:59 [PATCH 0/2] libata: switch to block layer tagging Jens Axboe
2009-05-20  7:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] libata: switch to using block layer tagging support Jens Axboe
2009-05-20 11:53   ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-20 17:10   ` Grant Grundler
2009-05-20 18:08     ` Gwendal Grignou
2009-05-20 18:50       ` James Bottomley
2009-05-20 18:58         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-20 19:04           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-20 19:42             ` Gwendal Grignou
2009-05-20 19:47               ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-21 13:44               ` Mark Lord
2009-05-21 17:27                 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-20 18:51       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-20 19:09     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-06-10 15:11   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-06-11  2:10     ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-20  7:01 ` [PATCH 2/2] block: add function for waiting for a specific free tag Jens Axboe
2009-05-20 11:55   ` Tejun Heo
2009-05-20 19:34     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-05-21 16:34       ` old-EH and SAS (was Re: [PATCH 2/2] block: add function for waiting for a specific free tag) Brian King
2009-05-20 17:28   ` [PATCH 2/2] block: add function for waiting for a specific free tag Grant Grundler
2009-05-20  7:53 ` [PATCH 0/2] libata: switch to block layer tagging Jeff Garzik
2009-05-20  7:57   ` Jens Axboe

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