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From: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
To: Tejun Heo <teheo@suse.de>
Cc: Chris Webb <chris@arachsys.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
	Andrei Tanas <andrei@tanas.ca>, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@redhat.com>, Mark Lord <mlord@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: MD/RAID time out writing superblock
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:25:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AAE524C.2030401@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AAE3F86.8090804@suse.de>

Tejun Heo wrote:
> Mark Lord wrote:
>> Tejun Heo wrote:
>> ..
>>> Oooh, another possibility is the above continuous IDENTIFY tries.
>>> Doing things like that generally isn't a good idea because vendors
>>> don't expect IDENTIFY to be mixed regularly with normal IOs and
>>> firmwares aren't tested against that.  Even smart commands sometimes
>>> cause problems.  So, finding out the thing which is obsessed with the
>>> identity of the drive and stopping it might help.
>> ..
>>
>> Bullpucky.  That sort of thing, specifically with IDENTIFY,
>> has never been an issue.
> 
> With SMART it has.  I wouldn't be too surprised if some new firmware
> chokes on repeated IDENTIFY mixed with stream of NCQ commands.  It's
> just not something people (including vendors) do regularly.
..

Yeah, some drives really don't like SMART commands (hddtemp & smartctl).
That's a strange one, too.  Because the whole idea of SMART
is that it gets used to periodically monitor drive health.

IDENTIFY is much safer -- usually no media access after initial spin-up,
and lots of things exercise it quite regularly.

Pretty much any hdparm command triggers an IDENTIFY beforehand now,
hddtemp and smartctl both use it too.

I suspect we're missing some info from this specific failure.
Looking back at Chris's earlier posting, the whole thing started
with a FLUSH_CACHE_EXT failure.  Once that happens, all bets are
off on anything that follows.

> Everything will be running fine when suddenly:
> 
>   ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
>   ata1.00: cmd ea/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0
>           res 40/00:00:80:17:91/00:00:37:00:00/40 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
>   ata1.00: status: { DRDY }
>   ata1: hard resetting link
>   ata1: softreset failed (device not ready)
>   ata1: hard resetting link
>   ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
>   ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
>   ata1: EH complete
>   end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 1465147272
>   md: super_written gets error=-5, uptodate=0
>   raid10: Disk failure on sda3, disabling device.
>   raid10: Operation continuing on 5 devices.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-14 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-08-26 18:12                     ` MD/RAID: what's wrong with sector 1953519935? Andrei Tanas
2009-08-27  0:07                       ` Mark Lord
2009-08-27  1:37                         ` Andrei Tanas
2009-08-27  2:33                       ` Robert Hancock
     [not found]                       ` <d086b110526f8bac2f562850dfc70b03@localhost>
2009-08-27 21:57                         ` MD/RAID time out writing superblock Ric Wheeler
2009-08-31  8:10                           ` Tejun Heo
2009-08-31 12:04                             ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-31 12:20                               ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-07 11:44                                 ` Chris Webb
2009-09-07 11:59                                   ` Chris Webb
2009-09-09 12:02                                     ` Chris Webb
2009-09-14  7:41                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14  7:44                                         ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 12:48                                           ` Mark Lord
2009-09-14 13:05                                             ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 14:25                                               ` Mark Lord [this message]
2009-09-16 23:19                                                 ` Chris Webb
2009-09-17 13:29                                                   ` Mark Lord
2009-09-17 13:32                                                     ` Mark Lord
2009-09-17 13:37                                                     ` Chris Webb
2009-09-17 15:35                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-17 16:16                                                       ` Mark Lord
2009-09-17 16:17                                                         ` Mark Lord
2009-09-18 17:05                                                           ` Chris Webb
2009-09-21 10:26                                                             ` Chris Webb
2009-09-21 19:47                                                               ` Mark Lord
2009-09-22  6:16                                                               ` Robert Hancock
2009-09-20 18:36                                                         ` Robert Hancock
2009-09-14 13:11                                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2009-09-14 13:24                                             ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 14:02                                               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2009-09-14 14:34                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 13:14                                         ` Gabor Gombas
2009-09-07 16:55                                   ` Allan Wind
2009-09-07 23:26                                     ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-09-14  7:46                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 21:13                                         ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-09-14 22:23                                           ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-16 22:28                                 ` Chris Webb
2009-09-16 23:47                                   ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-17  0:34                                     ` Neil Brown
2009-09-17 12:00                                       ` Chris Webb
2009-09-17 11:57                                     ` Chris Webb
2009-09-17 15:44                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-17 16:36                                         ` Allan Wind
2009-09-18  0:16                                           ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-18  2:47                                             ` Allan Wind
2009-09-18 17:07                                         ` Chris Webb
2009-09-20 18:46                                         ` Robert Hancock
2009-09-21  0:02                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2009-09-17 13:35                                     ` Mark Lord
2009-09-17 15:47                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-08-31 12:21                             ` Mark Lord
2009-08-31 23:45                               ` Mark Lord
2009-09-01 13:07                                 ` Andrei Tanas
2009-09-01 13:15                                   ` Mark Lord
2009-09-01 13:30                                     ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-01 13:47                                       ` Ric Wheeler
2009-09-01 14:18                                         ` Andrei Tanas
2009-09-02 21:58                                   ` Allan Wind
2009-09-04 19:39                                     ` Andrei Tanas

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