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From: Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>
To: Tim Small <tim@buttersideup.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com>,
	"smartmontools-support@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<smartmontools-support@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [smartmontools-support] SATA drive reset/disable events on ICH7 ata_piix when polling SMART info
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:30:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B6DA74C.2040007@teksavvy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B6D8A12.70200@buttersideup.com>

Tim Small wrote:
> Tejun Heo wrote:
>>> The only constants seem to be libata and ICH7/8.
>>> We must have a bug somewhere in there.
>>>     
>> In piix mode or ahci mode?  If in piix mode, ich7 and 8 would behave
>> quite differently.  ICH8 has SIDPR so it can hardreset while 7 can't.
>> ICH SIDPR access had a hardware problem where write to SControl to
>> clear DET is sometimes ignored which led to occassional hardreset
>> failure which got fixed recently.  The reason why ich's are involved
>> in those incidents could just be that they are extremely popular.
>>   
> 
> It's a non-AHCI capable ICH7, so it's in piix mode.
> 
>> Things to try after such completely drive shutdown are...
>>   
> 
> Unfortunately I can't do much with this box, as it's a rented box in a
> datacentre, however....
> 
>> * Soft reset the machine.  Can BIOS recognize the drive?
>>   
> 
> Yes, if I either 'echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger', then the BIOS
> recognises the drive, and the box reboot normally.
> 
>> In many cases I've seen, it's usually that the drive's firmware is
>> completely hung and only power cycling the drive brought it back.  But
>> then again, there have been some number of cases which didn't get
>> diagnosed properly, so it's definitely possible that we're doing
>> something wrong in the driver.
>>
>> Anyways, if it happens again, please try the above and try to find out
>> whether the controller or the drive is hung.  Also, please keep in
>> mind that timeouts on 0xEA (flush) is very often indicative of power
>>   
> 
> OK, I didn't think I was seeing those - is it possible to tell from the
> detail which I posted in my original message?  As for the potential for
> PSU shenanigans - I don't have access to the box to fiddle with that,
> unfortunately, but I believe I can stress the I/O subsystem quite
> heavily with dd and/or bonnie, but it's only when polling for SMART
> status that these errors show up.  I've just started dd (to RAID mirror)
> + hdparm -I again to check...
> 
> Do the SMART error counters in the OP make this suspicious?  Is there
> likely to be any different between running smartctl -a and hdparm -I  in
> terms of code path taken though the kernel, or timings on the hardware,
> as far as you know?
..


My theory on the problem when I first had it here, was that doing
a FLUSH_CACHE[_EXT] before any PIO command (eg. SMART) should prevent
the problem.  This was never explored further (by me or others).

Cheers


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-06 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-05 14:07 SATA drive reset/disable events on ICH7 ata_piix when polling SMART info Tim Small
2010-02-05 14:17 ` [smartmontools-support] " Justin Piszcz
2010-02-05 14:31   ` Tim Small
2010-02-05 14:48     ` Justin Piszcz
2010-02-05 21:47     ` Mark Lord
2010-02-06  3:39       ` Tejun Heo
2010-02-06 15:26         ` Tim Small
2010-02-06 17:30           ` Mark Lord [this message]
2010-02-06 22:22             ` Tim Small
2010-02-07  4:51               ` Mark Lord
2010-02-08  2:40                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-02-08 13:03                 ` Tim Small
2010-02-08  2:49             ` Tejun Heo

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