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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>
Cc: jaxboe@fusionio.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org,
	hch@lst.de, James.Bottomley@suse.de, tytso@mit.edu,
	chris.mason@oracle.com, swhiteho@redhat.com,
	konishi.ryusuke@lab.ntt.co.jp, dm-devel@redhat.com, jack@suse.cz,
	rwheeler@redhat.com, hare@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:51:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C6CFEAA.1060004@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C6C34E0.3050601@vlnb.net>

Hello,

On 08/18/2010 09:30 PM, Vladislav Bolkhovitin wrote:
> Basically, I measured how iSCSI link utilization depends from amount
> of queued commands and queued data size. This is why I made it as a
> table. From it you can see which improvement you will have removing
> queue draining after 1, 2, 4, etc. commands depending of commands
> sizes.
>
> For instance, on my previous XFS rm example, where rm of 4 files
> took 3.5 minutes with nobarrier option, I could see that XFS was
> sending 1-3 32K commands in a row. From my table you can see that if
> it sent all them at once without draining, it would have about
> 150-200% speed increase.

You compared barrier off/on.  Of course, it will make a big
difference.  I think good part of that gain should be realized by the
currently proposed patchset which removes draining.  What's needed to
be demonstrated is the difference between ordered-by-waiting and
ordered-by-tag.  We've never had code to do that properly.

The original ordered-by-tag we had only applied tag ordering to two or
three command sequences inside a barrier, which doesn't amount to much
(and could even be harmful as it imposes draining of all simple
commands inside the device only to reduce issue latencies for a few
commands).  You'll need to hook into filesystem and somehow export the
ordering information down to the driver so that whatever needs
ordering is sent out as ordered commands.

As I've wrote multiple times, I'm pretty skeptical it will bring much.
Ordered tag mandates draining inside the device just like the original
barrier implementation.  Sure, it's done at a lower layer and command
issue latencies will be reduced thanks to that but ordered-by-waiting
doesn't require _any_ draining at all.  The whole pipeline can be kept
full all the time.  I'm often wrong tho, so please feel free to go
ahead and prove me wrong.  :-)

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-19  9:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-12 12:41 [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 01/11] block/loop: queue ordered mode should be DRAIN_FLUSH Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 02/11] block: kill QUEUE_ORDERED_BY_TAG Tejun Heo
2010-08-13 12:56   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-13 13:06     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 03/11] block: deprecate barrier and replace blk_queue_ordered() with blk_queue_flush() Tejun Heo
2010-08-14  1:07   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-08-14  9:42     ` hch
2010-08-16 20:38       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 04/11] block: remove spurious uses of REQ_HARDBARRIER Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 05/11] block: misc cleanups in barrier code Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 06/11] block: drop barrier ordering by queue draining Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 07/11] block: rename blk-barrier.c to blk-flush.c Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 08/11] block: rename barrier/ordered to flush Tejun Heo
2010-08-17 13:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-17 16:23     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-17 17:08       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-18  6:23         ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 09/11] block: implement REQ_FLUSH/FUA based interface for FLUSH/FUA requests Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 10/11] fs, block: propagate REQ_FLUSH/FUA interface to upper layers Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 21:24   ` Jan Kara
2010-08-13  7:19     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-13  7:47       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-16 16:33   ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2010-08-12 12:41 ` [PATCH 11/11] block: use REQ_FLUSH in blkdev_issue_flush() Tejun Heo
2010-08-13 11:48 ` [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-13 13:48   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-13 14:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-13 14:51       ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-14 10:36         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-17  9:59           ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-17 13:19             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-17 16:41               ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-17 16:59                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-18  6:35                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-18  8:11                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-20  8:26                   ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-23 12:14                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-23 14:17                       ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-24 10:24                         ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-24 16:59                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-24 17:52                             ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-24 18:14                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-25  8:00                             ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-25 15:28                               ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-27  9:47                                 ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-08-27 13:49                                   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-30  6:13                                     ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-09-01  0:55                                       ` safety of retrying SYNCHRONIZE CACHE [was: Re: [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush] Mike Snitzer
2010-09-01  7:32                                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-09-01  7:38                                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-25 15:59                               ` [RFC] training mpath to discern between SCSI errors (was: Re: [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush) Mike Snitzer
2010-08-25 19:15                                 ` [RFC] training mpath to discern between SCSI errors Mike Christie
2010-08-30 11:38                                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-30 12:07                                   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2010-08-30 12:39                                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-30 14:52                                       ` [dm-devel] " Hannes Reinecke
2010-10-18  8:09                                         ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-10-18 11:55                                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-10-19  4:03                                             ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2010-11-19  3:11                                             ` [dm-devel] " Malahal Naineni
2010-11-30 22:59                                               ` Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] differentiate between I/O errors Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] scsi: Detailed " Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                   ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] dm mpath: propagate target errors immediately Mike Snitzer
2010-12-07 23:16                                                   ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] block: improve detail in I/O error messages Mike Snitzer
2010-12-08 11:28                                                     ` Sergei Shtylyov
2010-12-08 15:05                                                       ` [PATCH v2 " Mike Snitzer
2010-12-10 23:40                                                   ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] differentiate between I/O errors Malahal Naineni
2011-01-14  1:15                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-12-17  9:47                                                 ` training mpath to discern between SCSI errors Hannes Reinecke
2010-12-17 14:06                                                   ` Mike Snitzer
2011-01-14  1:09                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2011-01-14  7:45                                                       ` Hannes Reinecke
2011-01-14 13:59                                                         ` Mike Snitzer
2010-08-24 17:11                       ` [PATCHSET block#for-2.6.36-post] block: replace barrier with sequenced flush Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 23:14                         ` Alan Cox
2010-08-13 12:55 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-13 13:17   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-18 19:29     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-13 13:21   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-18 19:30     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-19  9:51       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2010-08-30  9:54         ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-30 20:34           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-18  9:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-19  9:57   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-19 10:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-19 10:22       ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-20 13:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-20 15:18   ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-20 16:00     ` Chris Mason
2010-08-20 16:02       ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 12:30     ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-23 12:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-23 13:58         ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 14:01           ` Jens Axboe
2010-08-23 14:08             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-23 14:13               ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-23 14:19                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 11:31               ` Jens Axboe
2010-08-30 10:04               ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-08-23 15:19             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 16:45               ` Sergey Vlasov
2010-08-23 16:49                 ` [dm-devel] " Ric Wheeler
2010-08-23 12:36   ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-23 14:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-23 14:15 ` [PATCH] block: simplify queue_next_fseq Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-23 16:28   ` OT grammar nit " John Robinson

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