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From: Phillip Susi <phill@thesusis.net>
To: Damien Le Moal <dlemoal@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	"Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>,
	Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	Paul Ausbeck <paula@soe.ucsc.edu>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	Joe Breuer <linux-kernel@jmbreuer.net>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Chia-Lin Kao <acelan.kao@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 05/23] ata: libata-scsi: Disable scsi device manage_system_start_stop
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:27:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0mmux6s.fsf@vps.thesusis.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230923002932.1082348-6-dlemoal@kernel.org>


Damien Le Moal <dlemoal@kernel.org> writes:

> However, restoring the ATA device to the active power mode must be
> synchronized with libata EH processing of the port resume operation to
> avoid either 1) seeing the start stop unit command being received too
> early when the port is not yet resumed and ready to accept commands, or
> after the port resume process issues commands such as IDENTIFY to

I do not believe this is correct.  The drive must respond to IDENTIFY
and SET FEATURES while in standby mode.  Some of the information in the
IDENTIFY block may be flagged as not available because it requires media
access and the drive is in standby.  There is a bit in the IDENTIFY
block that indicates whether the drive will automatically spin up for
media access commands or not, and if not, then you must issue the SET
FEATURES command to spin it up.  For such drives, that VERIFY command
will fail.

> revalidate the device. In this last case, the risk is that the device
> revalidation fails with timeout errors as the drive is still spun down.

If a request can timeout before the drive has time to spin up, then that
would be a problem outside of suspend/resume.  You would get such
timeouts any time you manually suspend the drive with hdparm -y, or the
drive auto suspends ( hdparm -S ).  The timeout needs to be long enough
for the drive to spin up.  IIRC, it defaults to 10 seconds, which is
plenty of time.


It sounds like you are saying that you unconditionally wake the drive
with a VERIFY command to make sure that you can then IDENTIFY.  This
should not be needed.  In addition, if the drive has PuiS enabled, I
would like to leave it in standby after a system resume, not force it to
wake up.  After all, that is why it has PuiS enabled.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-25 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-23  0:29 [PATCH v6 00/23] Fix libata suspend/resume handling and code cleanup Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 01/23] ata: libata-core: Fix ata_port_request_pm() locking Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26 17:18   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 02/23] ata: libata-core: Fix port and device removal Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26 17:28   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 03/23] ata: libata-scsi: link ata port and scsi device Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 04/23] scsi: sd: Differentiate system and runtime start/stop management Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26 18:07   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 05/23] ata: libata-scsi: Disable scsi device manage_system_start_stop Damien Le Moal
2023-09-25 14:27   ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2023-09-26  6:19     ` Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26  6:34       ` Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26 15:25       ` Phillip Susi
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 06/23] scsi: Do not attempt to rescan suspended devices Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26 18:10   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 07/23] ata: libata-scsi: Fix delayed scsi_rescan_device() execution Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 08/23] ata: libata-core: Do not register PM operations for SAS ports Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 09/23] scsi: sd: Do not issue commands to suspended disks on shutdown Damien Le Moal
2023-09-25 20:22   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-26  6:00     ` Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26 14:51       ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-26 23:30         ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 10/23] ata: libata-core: Fix compilation warning in ata_dev_config_ncq() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 11/23] ata: libata-eh: Fix compilation warning in ata_eh_link_report() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 12/23] scsi: Remove scsi device no_start_on_resume flag Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26 20:42   ` Bart Van Assche
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 13/23] ata: libata-scsi: Cleanup ata_scsi_start_stop_xlat() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 14/23] ata: libata-core: Synchronize ata_port_detach() with hotplug Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 15/23] ata: libata-core: Detach a port devices on shutdown Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 16/23] ata: libata-core: Remove ata_port_suspend_async() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 17/23] ata: libata-core: Remove ata_port_resume_async() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 18/23] ata: libata-core: Do not poweroff runtime suspended ports Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 19/23] ata: libata-core: Do not resume " Damien Le Moal
2023-09-25 17:26   ` Phillip Susi
2023-09-26  6:27     ` Damien Le Moal
2023-09-26 15:01       ` Phillip Susi
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 20/23] ata: libata-sata: Improve ata_sas_slave_configure() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 21/23] ata: libata-eh: Improve reset error messages Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 22/23] ata: libata-eh: Reduce "disable device" message verbosity Damien Le Moal
2023-09-23  0:29 ` [PATCH v6 23/23] ata: libata: Cleanup inline DMA helper functions Damien Le Moal

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