From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Szabolcs Szakacsits <szaka@ntfs-3g.com>,
Grant Grundler <grundler@google.com>,
Linux IDE mailing list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Implementing NVMHCI...
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904120950050.4583@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49E213AE.4060506@redhat.com>
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> A quick test shows that it can. I didn't try mmap(), but copying files around
> worked.
You being who you are, I'm assuming you're doing this in a virtual
environment, so you might be able to see the IO patterns..
Can you tell if it does the IO in chunks of 16kB or smaller? That can be
hard to see with trivial tests (since any filesystem will try to chunk up
writes regardless of how small the cache entry is, and on file creation it
will have to write the full 16kB anyway just to initialize the newly
allocated blocks on disk), but there's a couple of things that should be
reasonably good litmus tests of what WNT does internally:
- create a big file, then rewrite just a few bytes in it, and look at the
IO pattern of the result. Does it actually do the rewrite IO as one
16kB IO, or does it do sub-blocking?
If the latter, then the 16kB thing is just a filesystem layout issue,
not an internal block-size issue, and WNT would likely have exactly the
same issues as Linux.
- can you tell how many small files it will cache in RAM without doing
IO? If it always uses 16kB blocks for caching, it will be able to cache
a _lot_ fewer files in the same amount of RAM than with a smaller block
size.
Of course, the _really_ conclusive thing (in a virtualized environment) is
to just make the virtual disk only able to do 16kB IO accesses (and with
16kB alignment). IOW, actually emulate a disk with a 16kB hard sector
size, and reporting a 16kB sector size to the READ CAPACITY command. If it
works then, then clearly WNT has no issues with bigger sectors.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-12 17:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20090412091228.GA29937@elte.hu>
2009-04-12 15:14 ` Implementing NVMHCI Szabolcs Szakacsits
2009-04-12 15:20 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-12 16:15 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-12 17:11 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-04-13 6:32 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-13 15:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13 15:38 ` James Bottomley
2009-04-14 7:22 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-14 10:07 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 9:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 10:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-14 10:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 11:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-14 11:58 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2009-04-17 22:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-14 12:08 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 12:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-25 8:26 ` Pavel Machek
2009-04-12 15:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12 17:02 ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-12 17:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12 18:35 ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-13 11:18 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-12 17:23 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <6934efce0904141052j3d4f87cey9fc4b802303aa73b@mail.gmail.com>
2009-04-15 6:37 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-04-30 22:51 ` Jörn Engel
2009-04-30 23:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 17:33 Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 19:32 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-11 19:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11 20:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 21:49 ` Grant Grundler
2009-04-11 22:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12 5:08 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-04-11 23:25 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-11 23:51 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-12 0:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12 1:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-12 1:15 ` david
2009-04-12 3:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12 14:23 ` Mark Lord
2009-04-12 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 19:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 21:08 ` John Stoffel
2009-04-11 21:31 ` John Stoffel
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