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From: "Nuno Sá" <noname.nuno@gmail.com>
To: Tomas Melin <tomas.melin@vaisala.com>,
	Michael Hennerich	 <Michael.Hennerich@analog.com>,
	Nuno Sa <nuno.sa@analog.com>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>,
	Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	David Lechner	 <dlechner@baylibre.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andy@kernel.org>,
	Olivier Moysan	 <olivier.moysan@foss.st.com>
Cc: linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/4] iio: adc: ad9467: Support alternative backends
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 12:04:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5896ab55e0d23d235908f9f592c8a7975428dc54.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7ac7033a-2273-4556-a605-1ea0200665a9@vaisala.com>

On Wed, 2026-01-14 at 17:32 +0200, Tomas Melin wrote:
> Hi Nuno,
> 
> On 14/01/2026 15:32, Nuno Sá wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-01-14 at 10:45 +0000, Tomas Melin wrote:
> > > To facilitate backends with different set of features, add support
> > > for defining capabilites provided by the backend. These capabilites
> > > typically extend beyond a single operation and are therefore not
> > > directly linked to if a single function call is implemented or not.
> > > Furthermore, the capabilites determine if a certain set of operations
> > > should be attempted, or skipped by the frontend. This way
> > > the frontend driver can work with a minimalistic set of features and
> > > still have the device in fully functional state.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Tomas Melin <tomas.melin@vaisala.com>
> > > ---
> > 
> > Hi Tomas,
> > 
> > > Changes in v3:
> > > - Reduce set of capabilities to only include calibration. The other
> > >   ones propsed in V2 can be seen as subset of calibration, or single
> > >   operation failing with opnotsupported
> > 
> > As stated in my patch comment. Using opnotsupported for buffers defeats
> > the CAPS idea.
> Please check my other reply, to me adding cap for a 1:1 mapping of a
> operation seems like duplicating the information. But of course, this
> can be viewed from different angles and it is also possible to look at
> it like that.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > But more importantly, how are your usecase supposed to work with this
> > series? I'm not seeing any new backend being added as part of the series.
> > Point is, if we are adding all of this, I would expect your usecase to
> > have fully upstream support. If I'm not missing nothing, we would at least
> > need a dummy backend providing stubs for enable()/disable()
> My usecase adds simplistic backend support and registers to the
> framework via an related driver. So that use case works with that
> approach. I think it is better to assume there is always some entity
> that can take on the role of being backend, rather than adding a dummy
> backend. Adding the capabilities are defining role here, as having that

Well, I would argue your backend is exactly that. A dummy one :)

> allows for customer integrations with backends that differ but are of no
> interest for the mainline.
> 

It would still be nice to have this usecase fully supported upstream 
(having a black box backend). 

What I have in mind would be really to do the same as regulators do. If you call
regulator_get() then the consumer really assumes a regulator must exist. But if it
is something the kernel does not control we get a dummy one with very limited
functionality/stubs. If you call regulator_get_optional(), then the regulator is
really optional and might not physically exist. Seems very similar to what you have.

- Nuno Sá

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-15 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-14 10:45 [PATCH v3 0/4] iio: adc: ad9467: Support alternative backends Tomas Melin
2026-01-14 10:45 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] iio: adc: ad9467: include two's complement in default mode Tomas Melin
2026-01-16 18:39   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-14 10:45 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] iio: industrialio-backend: support backend capabilities Tomas Melin
2026-01-14 12:20   ` Nuno Sá
2026-01-19 13:49     ` Tomas Melin
2026-01-19 15:00       ` David Lechner
2026-01-20  6:45         ` Tomas Melin
2026-01-14 12:28   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-15  7:48     ` Tomas Melin
2026-01-14 13:19   ` Nuno Sá
2026-01-14 10:45 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] iio: adc: adi-axi-adc: define supported iio-backend capabilities Tomas Melin
2026-01-14 10:45 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] iio: adc: ad9467: check for backend capabilities Tomas Melin
2026-01-14 12:29   ` Nuno Sá
2026-01-14 15:23     ` Tomas Melin
2026-01-15 11:54       ` Nuno Sá
2026-01-16 18:32         ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-19 11:55           ` Tomas Melin
2026-01-14 12:45   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-14 15:24     ` Tomas Melin
2026-01-14 13:38   ` Nuno Sá
2026-01-14 13:32 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] iio: adc: ad9467: Support alternative backends Nuno Sá
2026-01-14 15:32   ` Tomas Melin
2026-01-15 12:04     ` Nuno Sá [this message]
2026-01-15 13:30       ` Tomas Melin
2026-01-16 13:31         ` Nuno Sá
2026-01-16 18:37           ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-18  9:21             ` Nuno Sá
2026-01-20 11:01               ` Tomas Melin

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