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From: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
To: Jarod Wilson <jarod@wilsonet.com>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	Jarod Wilson <jarod@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mario Limonciello <superm1@ubuntu.com>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	Janne Grunau <j@jannau.net>,
	Christoph Bartelmus <lirc@bartelmus.de>
Subject: IR raw input is not sutable for input system
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:32:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1259105571.28219.20.camel@maxim-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B0B6321.3050001@wilsonet.com>

Folks, I really want to tell everyone that doing all the mapping from
raw codes to keypresses in kernel is wrong.

This idea keeps showing up, because many users think that remotes send
some universal codes that you can just 'parse' and feed back to input
system.

Its not the case.
There are many protocols, I know that by experimenting with my universal
remote. There are many receivers, and all have different accuracy.
Most remotes aren't designed to be used with PC, thus user has to invent
mapping between buttons and actions.
Its is not possible to identify remotes accurately, many remotes send
just a 8 bit integer that specifies the 'model' thus many remotes can
share it.
Some don't send anything.

There are some weird remotes that send whole packet of data will all
kind of states.

Think about it, video capture device is also an input device, a scanner
is an input device too, sound card can work as input device too.
But we aren't doing any parsing, even we don't support deflating of many
proprietary and standard video/image encoding formats.
We let userspace do it.

Kernel job is to take the information from device and present it to
userspace using uniform format, that is kernel does 1:1 translating, but
doesn't parse the data.
Uniform format doesn't mean kernel always converts to one format, its
not like sound card always recording in 32 bit 96000 Khz format, even if
underlying device doesn't support that.


So, device that decode IR code are presented to userspace as pure input
devices. I agree that creating fake raw codes from that is bad.

But devices that send raw data pass it to lirc.
lirc is well capable to decode it, and its not hard to add
auto-detection based on existing configuration drivers, so IR devices
will work with absolutely no configuration.
All you will have to do is ensure that lirc is installed.
Then udev can even start it automatically.
Then as soon as you press a key, lirc can scan its config database, and
find a config file to use. combine that with a GUI for unknown remotes
and you get an awesome usability.

Also don't forget that there are pure userspace drivers. They won't have
access to in-kernel decoder so they will still have to parse protocols,
so will have code duplication, and will still need lirc thus.


So why to burden the kernel with protocols, etc..


Best regards,
Maxim Levitsky

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-24 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-20 13:56 [PATCH 0/3 v2] linux infrared remote control drivers Jarod Wilson
2009-10-20 13:58 ` [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 11:47   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 12:36     ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 14:14       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 15:20         ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 16:53           ` James Mastros
2009-11-23 20:09             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 17:05           ` James Mastros
2009-11-23 17:12             ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 17:50             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 20:14               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 16:19         ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-23 17:39           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 20:23             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 12:16               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 18:18                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 19:06                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28  2:39                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28  2:54                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-28  9:43                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28 10:31                           ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 10:43                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-23 17:29         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 19:17           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 20:46             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 21:10             ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-24  4:18               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 20:41           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 12:36             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 13:22               ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 18:24               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 19:08                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 20:33                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 21:05                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 21:27                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 22:07                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-27  0:19                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  0:34                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-26 23:14                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 23:10                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 22:59                   ` Trent Piepho
2009-11-27  0:45                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  2:50                     ` hermann pitton
2009-11-26 20:37               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 20:59                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 22:05                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 22:14                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:09                   ` Trent Piepho
2009-11-23 17:37         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-23 20:51           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:21             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 17:46               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 17:50                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 21:39                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:13                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  0:26                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:37                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-24  4:37           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-24 23:32             ` Maxim Levitsky [this message]
2009-11-25  3:32               ` IR raw input is not sutable for input system Trent Piepho
2009-11-25 13:28                 ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-25 21:32                   ` Sean Young
2009-11-25 22:30                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 22:52                       ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-26 18:36                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 17:18                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:41                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-25 17:12               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:38               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  5:31             ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: Re: [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  6:16               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 16:07                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:23                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  2:28                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-27  3:08                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  4:33                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  5:06                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  7:33                           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27 15:33                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30  5:01                           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-27  4:30                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-23 21:11         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-23 21:46           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 21:54             ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 22:31               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 22:37                 ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 22:53                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-12 22:04                 ` david
2009-11-24  1:14             ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 13:25               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 13:48                 ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 16:35                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-24  0:53           ` Andy Walls
2009-11-24 13:32             ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 16:53               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 17:20                 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-25 17:40                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 18:07                     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 18:20                       ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-25 18:43                         ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 20:49                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:53                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 18:40                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 23:28                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:28                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 20:47                         ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: Re: [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 21:58                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 22:31                           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-25 23:22                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26  7:28                               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26  8:39                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 16:41                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  4:26                           ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 14:45                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 15:48                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 16:03                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 23:45                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  3:50                         ` Andy Walls
2009-11-25 20:44                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  3:31                       ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26  4:00                         ` hermann pitton
2009-11-26  5:41                         ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 14:28                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-25 17:44                 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 19:27                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  4:46                     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26  8:01                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26  8:08                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 16:25                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 18:13                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 18:55                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 20:28                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 21:28                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-27  7:45                       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 13:54               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 17:32                 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 17:49                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:50                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  1:45                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-25 16:45             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 14:05               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 19:43                 ` Andy Walls
2009-12-07 18:19                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-12-07 23:02                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08  2:42                     ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08  4:22                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 11:44                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:13                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 14:25                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 17:06                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 12:35                         ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08 12:52                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:40                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:01                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:16                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:31                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:40                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 16:19                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 23:30                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-09  0:04                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 17:16                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 13:30                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 13:47                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:59                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:19                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:34                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 15:56                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 16:27                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 18:15                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-09  0:28                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 16:22                                     ` Ferenc Wagner
2009-12-08 11:32                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 12:46                         ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08 17:19                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-09  0:07                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26  5:49             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  6:23               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26  9:14                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 17:15                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 12:28                 ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 13:17             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 22:25       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-24 23:23       ` Matthieu CASTET
2009-10-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 2/3 v2] lirc driver for Windows MCE IR transceivers Jarod Wilson
2009-11-13 20:43   ` Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
2009-11-15  6:55     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 12:46   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-10-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 3/3 v2] lirc driver for SoundGraph iMON IR receivers and displays Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 12:58   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-24  4:31     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-04 22:56 ` [PATCH 0/3 v2] linux infrared remote control drivers Jarod Wilson
2009-11-05  0:07   ` Andy Walls
2009-11-05  3:28     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-05  0:31   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-05  3:41     ` Jarod Wilson

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