Getting notification of PS/2 mouse packages

Getting notification of PS/2 mouse packages

[Michael Thayer]

Hello,

I am looking at writing a driver (it is to be open source, but not for
mainstream kernel inclusion) for a virtual machine-specific input
device.  Unfortunately one of the versions of the device I have to
support signals that it has new data available by sending a fake package
to the PS/2 mouse, so I need to be able to get notification of that
somehow.  Looking at the kernel source, I see that the i8042 driver
requests IRQ 12 as IRQF_SHARED, and that the kernel always notifies all
registered interrupt handlers of an interrupt, even if one of them
returns IRQ_HANDLED.  So it looks like I can just request my own shared
handler for IRQ 12 and always return IRQ_NONE, but still update my data.
However I am not sure whether this is something I can count on to keep
working in future kernel releases.  Does anyone on this list know more
about this, or can someone suggest a cleaner way to get the
notifications I need?

Thanks.

Regards,

Michael
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Re: Getting notification of PS/2 mouse packages

[Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo]

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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 01:35:55PM +0200, Michael Thayer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am looking at writing a driver (it is to be open source, but not for
> mainstream kernel inclusion) for a virtual machine-specific input
> device.  Unfortunately one of the versions of the device I have to
> support signals that it has new data available by sending a fake package
> to the PS/2 mouse, so I need to be able to get notification of that
> somehow.  Looking at the kernel source, I see that the i8042 driver
> requests IRQ 12 as IRQF_SHARED, and that the kernel always notifies all
> registered interrupt handlers of an interrupt, even if one of them
> returns IRQ_HANDLED.  So it looks like I can just request my own shared
> handler for IRQ 12 and always return IRQ_NONE, but still update my data.
> However I am not sure whether this is something I can count on to keep
> working in future kernel releases.  Does anyone on this list know more
> about this, or can someone suggest a cleaner way to get the
> notifications I need?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael

Hello, Michael.

My advice is: send it for mainline inclusion!

You more likely get your code reviewed, and it what you do is
acceptable, it will get included and that's a "OK" for your solution.
Then, if it turns out it's not OK anymore, it's much more likely people
will go and fix it for you. At least, that's certainly not going to
happen if it's not published somehow, but out-of-tree drivers or patches
do not usually have the attention of Linux developers.

So, what is it that you consider your work not worth of mainline
inclusion?

Regards,
Cascardo.

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> 71384 Weinstadt, Germany           mailto:michael.thayer@oracle.com
> 
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> 
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Re: Getting notification of PS/2 mouse packages

[Michael Thayer]

On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 09:36 -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 01:35:55PM +0200, Michael Thayer wrote:
> > I am looking at writing a driver (it is to be open source, but not for
> > mainstream kernel inclusion) for a virtual machine-specific input
> > device.  Unfortunately one of the versions of the device I have to
> > support signals that it has new data available by sending a fake package
> > to the PS/2 mouse, so I need to be able to get notification of that
> > somehow.  Looking at the kernel source, I see that the i8042 driver
> > requests IRQ 12 as IRQF_SHARED, and that the kernel always notifies all
> > registered interrupt handlers of an interrupt, even if one of them
> > returns IRQ_HANDLED.  So it looks like I can just request my own shared
> > handler for IRQ 12 and always return IRQ_NONE, but still update my data.
> > However I am not sure whether this is something I can count on to keep
> > working in future kernel releases.  Does anyone on this list know more
> > about this, or can someone suggest a cleaner way to get the
> > notifications I need?
> [...]
> My advice is: send it for mainline inclusion!
> 
> You more likely get your code reviewed, and it what you do is
> acceptable, it will get included and that's a "OK" for your solution.
> Then, if it turns out it's not OK anymore, it's much more likely people
> will go and fix it for you. At least, that's certainly not going to
> happen if it's not published somehow, but out-of-tree drivers or patches
> do not usually have the attention of Linux developers.
> 
> So, what is it that you consider your work not worth of mainline
> inclusion?

Hello Thadeu,

I suppose that the main reason is that the usual upgrade cycle of new
hardware, new kernel doesn't quite fit to virtual machines, given that
one of their main purposes is to run legacy software.  My driver should
ideally work with any 2.6.x (and now 3.x) kernel, and obviously I can no
longer get it into mainline for say the 2.6.9 kernel shipped with Fedora
Core 3.  Having it in mainline also complicates matters slightly if we
wanted to add new features to the hardware and the driver (we might want
multi-touch sometime) but the kernel in question already ships with an
older version.  I realise that that is not a show-stopper, but it brings
additional complications for relatively little gain.

Obviously we are used to the trade-off of having to put in more
maintenance work, though it isn't as bad as you might think,
particularly compared to the effort of ensuring that new features work
on any random 2.6 kernel (until recently 2.4 as well), including various
hacked distribution kernels.  And these days we often get patches from
users to support new kernel (pre-)releases before we even notice that
something is broken.

Regards,

Michael
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