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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>,
	ibm-acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Richard Hughes <hughsient@gmail.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: add thinkpad keys to input.h
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:04:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070530140450.GA29514@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d120d5000705300657s3a50a93el6c0771288ac80ebb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:57:11AM -0400, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:

> I really don't like KEY_FN_F1..KEY_FN_BACKSPACE either. What are they
> supposed to do? Just being an unique value to be mapped onto something
> useful? But why not use that useful keycode to begin with?

We've already got KEY_PROG* - is this not the sort of situation they're 
for? (ie, keys that aren't mapped to a specific purpose but would be 
potentially useful to userspace at the per-user level)

> I'd rather leave the keys unmapped and rely on initsripts (possibly
> with help from distributions vendors) to load proper keymap then add
> something that must be retranslated over and over again.

Changing the keymap is a privileged operation, so sending /some/ sort of 
keycode by default would probably be good.

> Well, what kind of functions you would like them to have? You, as a
> maintainer, can chose defaults. Since you (well, not you, the driver)
> provide a way for a user to adjust keymap there should be no problem
> even if someone does not like the values you chose. Having sensible
> defaults is a good thing, otherwise many people will not even know
> that they have these "separate" keys.

Some of the Thinkpad keys send events even without there being any 
label, so I don't think there's a sane default other than leaving it up 
to the user. On the other hand, I'm not especially keen on sending 
literals like "FN_BACKSPACE" - it's hugely special-cased.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-30 14:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <11802004861625-git-send-email-hmh@hmh.eng.br>
     [not found] ` <11802006651698-git-send-email-hmh@hmh.eng.br>
     [not found]   ` <11802006652128-git-send-email-hmh@hmh.eng.br>
     [not found]     ` <11802006652058-git-send-email-hmh@hmh.eng.br>
2007-05-26 17:31       ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: add thinkpad keys to input.h Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27  3:40         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27 12:15           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27 18:10             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found]             ` <20070527121513.GC19562-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-29  3:16               ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]                 ` <200705282316.32173.dtor-xOqKmqBdiMhF6kxbq+BtvQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-29 13:05                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 13:57                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:04                       ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2007-05-30 14:18                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:25                           ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-30 14:31                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:42                               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-30 15:07                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 15:24                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 16:04                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 17:24                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 20:25                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 23:01                               ` [ibm-acpi-devel] " Matthew Garrett
2007-05-31  0:53                               ` Making KEY_UNKNOWN really useful to userland Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31  4:33                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-31 22:28                                   ` [PATCH] Input: document the proper usage of EV_KEY and KEY_UNKNOWN Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31 23:33                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01  0:13                                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01  0:24                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01  1:29                                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01  1:44                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01  2:11                                               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01  3:33                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01  4:08                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01  4:37                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 13:13                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 14:04                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 14:19                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 15:06                                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 15:21                                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 14:51                                                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 14:19                                                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-20 10:21                                                     ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-06 16:55                                     ` [PATCH] Input: document the proper usage of EV_KEY and KEY_UNKNOWN (v2) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-29  5:04                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-30 18:20                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found]                                 ` <20070531005305.GC6883-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 10:37                                   ` Making KEY_UNKNOWN really useful to userland Richard Hughes
2007-05-31 12:48                                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31 14:37                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov

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