From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Samuel Thibault Subject: Re: [PATCH] Console keyboard events and accessibility Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:36:52 +0200 Message-ID: <20070901193652.GD12644@implementation> References: <20070821005718.GD3658@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <20070821204951.GC3658@interface.famille.thibault.fr> <20070712191932.GA3947@ucw.cz> <20070901122604.GA3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> <20070901123258.GA4612@ucw.cz> <20070901125120.GC3251@implementation.famille.thibault.fr> <20070901172301.GA4275@ucw.cz> <20070901173329.GB12644@implementation> <20070901181845.GA4839@ucw.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070901181845.GA4839@ucw.cz> Sender: owner-linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: To: Pavel Machek Cc: Jan Engelhardt , linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dtor@mail.ru List-Id: linux-input@vger.kernel.org Pavel Machek, le Sat 01 Sep 2007 18:18:45 +0000, a =E9crit : > > > > Very early is not so early, and loading initrd itself may actuall= y fail. > > > > The kernel may indeed hang, but there are more chances to get som= e > > > > messages before the hang. Don't _you_ have a VGA screen for gett= ing > > > > earliest failure messages from the kernel? > > >=20 > > > No. I'm using framebuffer, that's initialized quite late in boot > > > process. Plus many users just use bootsplash. I do use vga mode for > > > heavy debugging, but that's quite unusual. > >=20 > > But that's what some people do for their work, so they need it. >=20 > How many such users are out there? You know that it's a question that just can't be answered. There are such people, and their employment depend on this. > > > So... you actually have speech-enabled grub/lilo/something? > >=20 > > That's in project too (and there's no reason it shouldn't be done). >=20 > I'd say kernel debugging is hard without accessible bootloader A bootloader with only two entries is not so difficult to use blindly. Samuel