From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Denys Vlasenko Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <200711131739.45820.vda.linux@googlemail.com> References: <20071113031553.3c7b5c16.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113171356.GA25824@thunk.org> <20071113175610.GE4250@stusta.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20071113175610.GE4250@stusta.de> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-ide-owner@vger.kernel.org To: Adrian Bunk Cc: Theodore Tso , Benoit Boissinot , Mark Lord , Ingo Molnar , Andrew Morton , David Miller , protasnb@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org, linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org List-Id: linux-input@vger.kernel.org On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:56, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote: > > > Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros > > > (gentoo->ubuntu) > > > and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I > > > know this isn't a lkml problem > > > but more a distro problem, but I would love having an ubuntu blessed > > > repo with current dev kernel > > > for the latest stable ubuntu release). > > > > There are two parts to this. One is a Ubuntu development kernel which > > we can give to large numbers of people to expand our testing pool. > > But if we don't do a better job of responding to bug reports that > > would be generated by expanded testing this won't necessarily help us. > >... > > The main problem aren't missing testers [1] - we already have relatively > experienced people testing kernels and/or reporting bugs, and we slowly > scare them away due to the many bug reports without any reaction. > > The main problem is finding experienced developers who spend time on > looking into bug reports. > > Getting many relatively unexperienced users (who need more guidance for > debugging issues) as additional testers is therefore IMHO not > necessarily a good idea. And where experienced developrs are coming from? They are not born with Linux kernel skills. They grow up from within user base. Bigger user base -> more developers (eventually) -- vda