From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Randy Dunlap Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:38:20 -0800 Message-ID: <20071114093820.ff3ad8f9.rdunlap@xenotime.net> References: <20071113031553.3c7b5c16.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113.033946.114918709.davem@davemloft.net> <20071113034916.2556edd7.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113.035824.40509981.davem@davemloft.net> <20071113041259.79c9a8c5.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113134029.GA30978@elte.hu> <20071113085514.3414aa52.rdunlap@xenotime.net> <20071114140847.GA11489@elte.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20071114140847.GA11489@elte.hu> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org To: Ingo Molnar Cc: Andrew Morton , David Miller , protasnb@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org, linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org List-Id: linux-input@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * Randy Dunlap wrote: > > > > (and this is in no way directed at the networking folks - it holds > > > for all of us. I have one main complaint about networking: the > > > separate netdev list is a bad idea - networking regressions should > > > be discussed and fixed on lkml, like most other subsystems are. Any > > > artificial split of the lk discussion space is bad.) > > > > but here I disagree. LKML is already too busy and noisy. Major > > subsystems need their own discussion areas. > > That's a stupid argument. We lose much more by forced isolation of > discussion than what we win by having less traffic! It's _MUCH_ easier > to narrow down information (by filter by threads, by topics, by people, > etc.) than it is to gobble information together from various fractured > sources. We learned it _again and again_ that isolation of kernel > discussions causes bad things. > > In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev > some of those bugs were already discussed and resolved. Had it been all > on lkml we'd all be aware of it. or had been on netdev. > this is a single kernel project that is released together as one > codebase, so a central place of discussion is obvious and common-sense. Central doesn't have to mean one-and-only-one-list-for-everything. > so please stop this "too busy and too noisy" nonsense already. It was > nonsense 10 years ago and it's nonsense today. In 10 years the kernel > grew from a 1 million lines codebase to an 8 million lines codebase, so > what? Deal with it and be intelligent about filtering your information > influx instead of imposing a hard pre-filtering criteria that restricts > intelligent processing of information. So you have a preferred method of handling email. Please don't force it on the rest of us. I'll plan to use lkml-list-only when you have convinced DaveM to drop all of the other mailing lists at vger.kernel.org. Yeah, sure. --- ~Randy