From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100 Message-ID: <20071114140847.GA11489@elte.hu> References: <20071113031553.3c7b5c16.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113.033946.114918709.davem@davemloft.net> <20071113034916.2556edd7.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113.035824.40509981.davem@davemloft.net> <20071113041259.79c9a8c5.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113134029.GA30978@elte.hu> <20071113085514.3414aa52.rdunlap@xenotime.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071113085514.3414aa52.rdunlap@xenotime.net> Sender: owner-linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: To: Randy Dunlap Cc: Andrew Morton , David Miller , protasnb@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org, linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org List-Id: linux-input@vger.kernel.org * Randy Dunlap wrote: > > (and this is in no way directed at the networking folks - it holds > > for all of us. I have one main complaint about networking: the > > separate netdev list is a bad idea - networking regressions should > > be discussed and fixed on lkml, like most other subsystems are. Any > > artificial split of the lk discussion space is bad.) > > but here I disagree. LKML is already too busy and noisy. Major > subsystems need their own discussion areas. That's a stupid argument. We lose much more by forced isolation of discussion than what we win by having less traffic! It's _MUCH_ easier to narrow down information (by filter by threads, by topics, by people, etc.) than it is to gobble information together from various fractured sources. We learned it _again and again_ that isolation of kernel discussions causes bad things. In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev some of those bugs were already discussed and resolved. Had it been all on lkml we'd all be aware of it. this is a single kernel project that is released together as one codebase, so a central place of discussion is obvious and common-sense. so please stop this "too busy and too noisy" nonsense already. It was nonsense 10 years ago and it's nonsense today. In 10 years the kernel grew from a 1 million lines codebase to an 8 million lines codebase, so what? Deal with it and be intelligent about filtering your information influx instead of imposing a hard pre-filtering criteria that restricts intelligent processing of information. Ingo