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From: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.36/2.6.37: broken compatibility with userspace input-utils ?
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:50:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110125215039.GB20030@core.coreip.homeip.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiknmVaOhvhTXC_5G3m-HDrTJCyqbjOPgnUEFZpA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 07:20:07AM +1000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Dmitry Torokhov
> <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > BTW, another issue is that evdev's ioctl returns -EINVAL for unknown
> > ioctls so applications would have hard time figuring out whether error
> > returned because of kernel being too old or because they are trying to
> > retrieve/establish invalid mapping if they had to go only by the error
> > code.
> 
> So that's just another evdev interface bug.

Huh? I do not have lot of options here as far as error codes go. Invalid
request, invalid data in request - all goes to EINVAL.

> 
> > As far as I can see EINVAL is a proper error for unknown ioctls:
> >
> > [dtor@hammer work]$ man 2 ioctl | grep EINVAL
> >       EINVAL Request or argp is not valid.
> 
> Yeah, there's some confusion there.
> 
> The "unknown ioctl" error code is (for traditional reasons) ENOTTY,
> but yes, the EINVAL thing admittedly has a lot of legacy use too.
> 
> Inside the kernel, the preferred way to say "I don't recognize that
> ioctl number" is actually ENOIOCTLCMD.  That's exactly so that various
> nested ioctl handlers can then tell the difference between "I didn't
> recognize that ioctl" and "I understand what you asked me to do, but
> your arguments were crap".
> 
> vfs_ioctl() will then turn ENOIOCTLCMD to EINVAL to return to user space.

OK, so I can change evdev to employ ENOIOCTLCMD where needed, bit that
will not change older kernels where such distinction is needed (as never
kernels do support newer ioctl). And even if I could go back it would
not help since userspace still sees EINVAL only.

-- 
Dmitry

  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-25 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-23 17:03 2.6.36/2.6.37: broken compatibility with userspace input-utils ? Mark Lord
2011-01-24 17:54 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25  0:32   ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25  0:55     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25  4:13       ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25  4:20         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25  4:37           ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25  4:43             ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25  4:55             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25  5:04               ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25  5:07                 ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25  5:15                   ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25  5:31                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25  6:52                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25 14:42                       ` Extending rc-core/userspace to handle bigger scancodes - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-25 16:55                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26  9:44                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-25 11:42                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-25 14:32                       ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25 16:48                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25 20:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-25 20:54                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25 21:01                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25 21:20                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-25 21:50                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
2011-01-25 22:00                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-25 22:22                               ` Mark Lord
2011-01-25 23:29                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26  2:00                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 11:26                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-26 13:08                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-26 14:18                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-26 14:52                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-26 16:46                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 16:51                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 17:29                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-26 18:24                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 19:16                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-26 19:28                                                   ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 20:09                                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-26 19:28                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-26 19:32                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 20:07                                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-26 19:27                                                 ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 14:58                                       ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 17:41                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-26 17:59                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 19:30                                             ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 15:05                                     ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 16:44                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 19:31                                         ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 19:38                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 17:32                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-26 19:33                                         ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 19:41                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 19:47                                             ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 19:50                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 21:41                                                 ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 21:49                                                   ` Mark Lord
2011-01-26 22:07                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-26 22:04                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-27  1:01                                       ` Mark Lord
2011-01-27  1:07                                         ` Mark Lord
2011-01-27  2:12                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-27  3:18                                             ` Mark Lord
2011-01-27  6:38                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-27 10:30                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-27 15:00                                                   ` Mark Lord
2011-01-27 17:21                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-27 18:58                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-28  9:39                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-28 11:55                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-28 16:40                                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-28 17:01                                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-28 17:33                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-28 18:15                                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-01-28 18:34                                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-28 20:53                                                                     ` Mark Lord
2011-01-27 14:54                                                 ` Mark Lord
2011-01-27 16:39                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-27 18:12                                                 ` Mark Lord
2011-01-27 19:53                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-28 16:42                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-28 20:55                                                       ` Mark Lord
2011-01-28 21:03                                                         ` Mark Lord
2011-01-28 21:09                                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25 22:25                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-25  5:29                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-01-25 14:28                   ` Mark Lord
2011-02-02 14:31 ` Chase Douglas
2011-02-02 16:58   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-02 20:00     ` Chase Douglas
2011-02-02 21:54       ` Mark Lord
2011-02-02 22:04         ` Dmitry Torokhov

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