From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Lauri Kasanen Subject: Re: MOUSE_PS2_VMMOUSE and input/mice Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:32:36 +0200 Message-ID: <20160117113236.bcfecf72.cand@gmx.com> References: <20160115123928.d06e1fed.cand@gmx.com> <5698D343.3000606@vmware.com> <20160115132312.654ad5aa.cand@gmx.com> <56991418.1070701@vmware.com> <20160115175040.GA5664@dtor-ws> <20160116105735.5c659e05.cand@gmx.com> <20160116183008.GB9203@dtor-ws> <20160116211011.6aeff246.cand@gmx.com> <20160116193808.GG9203@dtor-ws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:65141 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752078AbcAQJcp (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Jan 2016 04:32:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20160116193808.GG9203@dtor-ws> Sender: linux-input-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-input@vger.kernel.org To: Dmitry Torokhov Cc: Thomas Hellstrom , linux-input@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:38:08 -0800 Dmitry Torokhov wrote: > > > I do not think you are doing your users any favors by limiting them to > > > PS/2 emulation. For desktops, unless they only use basic mice mousedev > > > emulation does not work well for neither touchpads, nor tablets, nor > > > touchscreens. And for appliances you do not need mouse at all. Maybe if > > > you targeting kiosks with limited UI it will work for a bit. I wonder > > > how long Xorg will be keeping lights on for mouse_drv. > > > > > > I am tempted to deprecate mousedev and maybe joydev as well. They were > > > supposed to fill the gap between then current applications and kernel, > > > but that was 10+ years ago. > > > > It's a choice we leave up to the users. The majority uses normal > > desktops with normal mice, touch screens and tablets tend to be a > > rarity in our userbase. So we can serve the majority without the bloat > > of Xorg, but those who need it can install it. > > So people who do not need Xorg do not need the mouse either, right? I am > still confused who your target user base is. By default we ship Xvesa, as mentioned. It's a different X server, very much smaller. It works with practically every graphics card, and support for normal mice is quite enough for the majority. > > That's why I was asking for a runtime way - the default should work, > > but so should VMWare's nicer mouse integration when Xorg is installed. > > That concern was resolved with the statement the older support is not > > being considered for removal. The original issue will be solved by > > disabling VMMOUSE in our kernel. > > I guess you can disable this (bit then you need to carry Xorg vmmouse > driver), but then you'll still have to pay the piper once Xorg drops > root support and X vmmouse driver will not be able to access the > hypervisor port. I believe Wayland will have become mainstream before that happens ;) - Lauri