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From: "johann deneux" <johann.deneux@gmail.com>
To: "STenyaK (Bruno González)" <stenyak@gmail.com>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz
Subject: Re: FF layer restrictions [Was: [PATCH 1/1] Input: add sensable phantom driver]
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:51:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <38b3b7c0703151351i23d42d67n1d7469fd14e433e2@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8e4ff20a0703141218r3add7923n74470b5e16f58c5c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/14/07, STenyaK (Bruno González) <stenyak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/14/07, Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have a question: if the force is to be 3D, why only 3 possible values?
> > > What would they be, 3 torques or 3 forces? In the case of car sims (ff
> > > steering wheels), only one axis of torque is usually used (except for 6 dof
> > > platforms, as mentioned).
> > >
> >
> > I wonder if we could somehow extend or augment FF envelope se we could
> > specify a plane for the effect.. Then a vector could be represented by
> > a sum 3 constant effects in 3 separate planes and we could also use
> > spring and other effects as well.
>

I would think one plane and one axis is all that's needed for a 3d vector, or?
Do we understand eachother?

> Ideally, afaik we should use:
> -3 values for translation force (linear force): x,y,z components of
> the force vector.
> -4 values for rotation force (torque): x,y,z,w components of the
> quaternion. You can also use euler angles (and i think there are
> another one or two notations), which is just 3 values, but i'm not
> sure it will be a correct decision (due to the gimbal lock problem,
> which may or may not be present in ff devices, dunno).

Same remark here. A torque is a 3-dimensional thing, just like a
force. What for do you need 4 components?

-- 
Johann

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-15 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-07 11:36 [PATCH 1/1] Input: add sensable phantom driver Jiri Slaby
2007-03-07 14:47 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-07 16:38   ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-07 16:50     ` Greg KH
2007-03-07 16:56     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-13 16:19       ` Jiri Slaby
     [not found]         ` <38b3b7c0703131450v2646e63fj2be4b9dda7f928c0@mail.gmail.com>
2007-03-13 22:16           ` FF layer restrictions [Was: [PATCH 1/1] Input: add sensable phantom driver] Jiri Slaby
2007-03-14 15:02             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-14 16:43               ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-14 16:45                 ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-14 18:04                 ` Anssi Hannula
2007-03-14 18:15                   ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-14 18:47                   ` STenyaK (Bruno González)
2007-03-14 19:12                     ` STenyaK (Bruno González)
2007-03-14 19:13                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-14 19:18                       ` STenyaK (Bruno González)
2007-03-15 20:51                         ` johann deneux [this message]
2007-03-15 21:06                           ` STenyaK (Bruno González)
2007-03-21 13:31                         ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-21 13:32                           ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-21 19:02                           ` johann deneux
2007-03-21 19:22                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-21 20:04                               ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-21 22:03                                 ` johann deneux
2007-03-22 15:50                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-27 12:20                                     ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-27 18:36                                       ` johann deneux
2007-03-27 20:11                                         ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-27 20:43                                           ` johann deneux
2007-03-27 20:51                                             ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-27 21:34                                               ` johann deneux
2007-03-28  3:08                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-28  9:28                                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-28 22:16                                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-28 22:22                                                     ` Jiri Slaby
2007-03-30 16:46                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-30 19:11                                                 ` Anssi Hannula
2007-03-15 20:43                       ` johann deneux
2007-03-16 16:28               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-17  7:28                 ` johann deneux

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