From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Benoit Boissinot" Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:52:32 +0100 Message-ID: <40f323d00711130752k19cab8eauc3456721274b3267@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071113031553.3c7b5c16.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113.033946.114918709.davem@davemloft.net> <20071113034916.2556edd7.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113.035824.40509981.davem@davemloft.net> <20071113041259.79c9a8c5.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20071113134029.GA30978@elte.hu> <4739AFE0.20705@rtr.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <4739AFE0.20705@rtr.ca> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-ide-owner@vger.kernel.org To: Mark Lord Cc: Ingo Molnar , Andrew Morton , David Miller , protasnb@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-pcmcia@lists.infradead.org, linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, bugme-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org List-Id: linux-input@vger.kernel.org On Nov 13, 2007 3:08 PM, Mark Lord wrote: > > Ingo Molnar wrote: > .. > > This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_, > > it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for > > years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means many eyeballs and > > that is our QA" answer, which is a _good_ answer but by far not the most > > intelligent answer! Today "many eyeballs" is simply not good enough and > > nature (and other OS projects) will route us around if we dont change. > .. > > QA-101 and "many eyeballs" are not at all in opposition. > The latter is how we find out about bugs on uncommon hardware, > and the former is what we need to track them and overall quality. > > A HUGE problem I have with current "efforts", is that once someone > reports a bug, the onus seems to be 99% on the *reporter* to find > the exact line of code or commit. Ghad what a repressive method. > Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros (gentoo->ubuntu) and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I know this isn't a lkml problem but more a distro problem, but I would love having an ubuntu blessed repo with current dev kernel for the latest stable ubuntu release). For debugging, maybe it's time someone does an amazon ec2+s3 service to automate the bisecting and create .deb/.rpm from git, I don't know how much it would cost though. regards, Benoit