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From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question about usage of RCU in the input layer
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:13:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C4AFC2.500@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200903202246.15772.dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>

Dmitry Torokhov a écrit :
> On Thursday 19 March 2009 20:20:32 Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>>> I don't claim to understand the code in question, so it is entirely
>>> possible that the following is irrelevant.  But one other reason for
>>> synchronize_rcu() is:
>>>
>>> 1.    Make change.
>>>
>>> 2.    synchronize_rcu()
>>>
>>> 3.    Now you are guaranteed that all CPUs/tasks/whatever
>>> currently running either are not messing with you on the one hand, or
>>>       have seen the change on the other.
>> ok so this is for the case where someone is already iterating the list.
>>
>> I don't see anything in the code that assumes this..
> 
> This is something that input core guarantees to its users: by the time
> input core calls hander->start() or, in its absence, by the time
> input_register_handle() returns, events from input drivers will be
> passed into the handle being registered, i.e. the presence of the
> new item in the list is noticed by all CPUs.
> 
> Now, it is possible to stop using RCU primitives in the input core
> but I think that you'd want to figure out why synchronize_rcu()
> takes so long first, otheriwse you may find another "abuser"
> down the road.
> 

If a cpu does a loop, it nearly impossible that synchronize_rcu() can
be fast.

We had same problem in ksoftirqd(), where I had to add a call
to rcu_qsctr_inc() to unblock other threads blocked in synchronize_rcu()

http://git2.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=64ca5ab913f1594ef316556e65f5eae63ff50cee

If a driver does a loop with no call to scheduler, it might have same problem


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  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-21  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-19  4:58 Question about usage of RCU in the input layer Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-19  7:23 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-03-19 14:02   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-19  8:56 ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-03-19 14:18   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-20  2:07     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20  3:20       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-20  4:45         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20  5:28           ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-20  6:01             ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-03-20  6:35               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-20 13:50           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-20 14:31             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 18:13               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-21  1:27                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-21  4:58                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-21 18:58                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-21 19:51                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-21 20:26                     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-21 21:07                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-22  3:40                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-22  4:38                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-22  4:51                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-22  5:18                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-22  5:53                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-22 16:53                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-22 19:46                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-22 20:52                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-22 22:44                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-22 23:03                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-22 23:16                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-23  1:27                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-03  1:27                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-21 21:13                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-20 22:21               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-21  5:46         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-03-21  9:13           ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2009-03-21 18:58             ` Paul E. McKenney

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