From: Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>
To: Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer@who-t.net>
Cc: Ping Cheng <pinglinux@gmail.com>,
Rafi Rubin <rafi@seas.upenn.edu>,
Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Mika Kuoppala <mika.kuoppala@nokia.com>,
Benjamin Tissoires <tissoire@cena.fr>,
Stephane Chatty <chatty@enac.fr>,
Michael Poole <mdpoole@troilus.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] input: mt: Document the MT event slot protocol (rev2)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:49:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BFA4BB0.7070002@euromail.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100524061503.GA20447@barra.redhat.com>
Peter Hutterer wrote:
[...]
>>> This is confusing me now :)
>>>
>>> How would a device get multiple x/y coordinates for a single contact? I
>>> could understand a range of coordinates but that's what we have the
>>> ABS_MT_WIDTH_MAJOR/MINOR for. If a touchpoint sends two different x/y
>>> coordinates, wouldn't that be two touchpoints, tracked individually and thus
>>> with a different tracking ID?
>>>
>>> I read the example above as _the_ example for using blob IDs to combine
>>> multiple contacts into one semantic contact.
>> As Henrik pointed out, the current BLOB format is for "more generic
>> contact forms", such as rectangles or ellipses. They are special
>> blobs. A generic (true) blob doesn't have to have a regular shape. It
>> is most likely in an irregular shape. They would be represented in an
>> array of points/contacts/(x,y)s, whichever term works for you :).
>
> Hmm. I always assumed blob is for irregular shapes, and rectangles or others
> are just subsets of irregular shapes (with slightly less 'ir', maybe).
> So what would be the difference between these two event streams?
>
> ABS_SLOT 0
> ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID 14
> ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[0]
> ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[0]
> ABS_SLOT 1
> ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID 14
> ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[1]
> ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[1]
>
>
> ABS_SLOT 0
> ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID 14
> ABS_MT_BLOB_ID 1
> ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[0]
> ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[0]
> ABS_SLOT 1
> ABS_MT_BLOB_ID 1
> ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID 15
> ABS_MT_POSITION_X x[1]
> ABS_MT_POSITION_Y y[1]
I, for one, prefer a third example, but for some other time. I know, the first
example is my fault, but it was created to illustrate that it is possible, not
that it is a particularly good idea. :-)
For type A devices, in the absence of identifiable contacts, there is room for
geometrical groupings of different kinds. Since all data is transferred between
synchronization points, the ABS_MT_BLOB_ID serves this purpose well.
However, for type B devices, seeking to reduce bandwidth by adding the concept
of identifiable contacts, it does not make sense to send overly detailed data.
If anything, the shape of a contact should be communicated in a simpler way,
maybe by extending the ABS_MT_TOOL_TYPE list.
Here is an attempt to capture the above constraints in the documentation:
@@ -244,15 +244,16 @@ MT_TOOL_PEN [2].
ABS_MT_BLOB_ID
The BLOB_ID groups several packets together into one arbitrarily shaped
-contact. This is a low-level anonymous grouping, and should not be confused
-with the high-level trackingID [5]. Most kernel drivers will not have blob
-capability, and can safely omit the event.
+contact. This is a low-level anonymous grouping for type A devices, and
+should not be confused with the high-level trackingID [5]. Most type A
+devices do not have blob capability, so drivers can safely omit this event.
ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID
The TRACKING_ID identifies an initiated contact throughout its life cycle
-[5]. There are currently only a few devices that support it, so this event
-should normally be omitted.
+[5]. This event is mandatory for type B devices. The value range of the
+TRACKING_ID should be large enough to ensure unique identification of a
+contact maintained over an extended period of time.
Henrik
prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-24 9:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-18 20:10 [PATCH] input: mt: Introduce MT event slots (rev 3) Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-18 20:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] input: mt: Document the MT event slot protocol (rev2) Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-19 2:37 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-19 12:12 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-20 0:13 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-20 7:11 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-20 10:46 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-20 10:40 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-24 4:58 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-24 6:07 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 10:03 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-24 15:59 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-24 17:06 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 17:21 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-24 17:33 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 17:48 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-24 18:04 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-24 19:19 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-19 22:43 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-19 23:34 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-20 0:13 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-20 0:26 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-20 0:51 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-20 1:03 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-20 4:18 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-20 0:21 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-20 0:34 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-20 7:08 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-20 22:19 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-20 22:48 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-21 3:35 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-21 15:19 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-05-21 15:40 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-21 21:25 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-22 3:10 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 5:25 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-24 5:48 ` Ping Cheng
2010-05-24 6:15 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-05-24 9:49 ` Henrik Rydberg [this message]
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