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From: Nick Dyer <nick.dyer@itdev.co.uk>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Kurtz <djkurtz@chromium.org>,
	Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>,
	Joonyoung Shim <jy0922.shim@samsung.com>,
	Alan.Bowens@atmel.com, linux-input@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pmeerw@pmeerw.net,
	bleung@chromium.org, olofj@chromium.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Add memory access interface via sysfs
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:17:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51B06FE4.7040805@itdev.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130606105530.GT31367@sirena.org.uk>

Mark Brown wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 11:31:57AM +0100, Nick Dyer wrote:
>> Having to define every parameter in each object (there are thousands) in
>> the kernel driver would be impractically technically, since it would result
>> in a huge, and constantly updating API, which would be always out-of-date,
>> and impossible to support.
> 
>> Also, I'm afraid it would also be impractical legally, since it would
>> breach the NDA terms that Atmel require on these parameter definitions.
> 
> If that's a big problem just put the data table in a section of the
> firmware (or a separate file that gets requested as a firmware).  Or
> have the firmware be able to enumerate itself when asked.

That still would breach the NDA, I'm afraid. And there's hundreds of
existing versions of maXTouch chips already out there which don't have the
infrastructure in place to do what you describe.

>> It works very well in practice. This same abstraction is used across
>> maXTouch products on many platforms to provide tool support. I agree that
>> its use should be restricted to system programs.
> 
> It works well so long as people use the supplied binaries in the way
> that's been proscribed.  As soon as people start upgrading kernels,
> customising things out of your expected flow (because they can or
> they're on a tight deadline) things will get more fragile.  This sort of
> stuff is really common, the approaches I'm describing are fairly
> standard solutions.

If we expose every single parameter as a get/set as you suggest, we haven't
added anything that stops a binary of the wrong version doing something
stupid. We've just added a complex API to the same underlying thing, which
gains nothing.

In practice, where there is a risk of the user mucking up their
configuration, the open-source user-space tools that we have released
provide an easy way to back up and restore the configuration in use, and
the kernel driver provides a way to load a known good configuration on
probe. The same configuration formats and tools are used across maXTouch
products on many platforms.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-06 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-05 17:36 Atmel updates to atmel_mxt_ts touch controller driver - v5 Daniel Kurtz <djkurtz@chromium.org>, Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>, Joonyoung Shim <jy0922.shim@samsung.com>, Alan.Bowens@atmel.com, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pmeerw@pmeerw.net, bleung@chromium.org, olofj@chromium.org Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:36 ` [PATCH 01/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Remove unnecessary platform data Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:36 ` [PATCH 02/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Improve T19 GPIO keys handling Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:36 ` [PATCH 03/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Return IRQ_NONE when interrupt handler fails Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:36 ` [PATCH 04/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - define helper functions for size and instances Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:36 ` [PATCH 05/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Select FW_LOADER for firmware code Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:36 ` [PATCH 06/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - wait for CHG assert in mxt_check_bootloader Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 07/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - wait for CHG after bootloader resets Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 08/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Initialise IRQ before probing Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 09/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Make wait-after-reset period compatible with all chips Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 10/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Add memory access interface via sysfs Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:57   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2013-06-05 18:45     ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 19:04       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2013-06-05 20:31         ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 21:07           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2013-06-05 21:36             ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-06 10:03               ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06 10:31                 ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-06 10:55                   ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06 11:17                     ` Nick Dyer [this message]
2013-06-06 13:16                       ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06 16:13                         ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-06 16:46                           ` Mark Brown
2013-06-07 15:12                             ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-07 15:41                               ` Mark Brown
2013-06-07 16:11                                 ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-07 16:47                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-06-11 10:39                                     ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-11 11:47                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-06-11 12:16                                         ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-19 18:59                                           ` Mark Brown
2013-06-21 16:16                                             ` Nick Dyer
2013-07-02 10:11                                               ` Mark Brown
2013-07-11  7:41                                                 ` Nick Dyer
2013-07-11 10:30                                                   ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06  9:48             ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06 10:40               ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-06 10:46                 ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06 11:00                   ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-06 11:14                     ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06 11:34                       ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-06 13:21                         ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06 18:01   ` Greg KH
2013-06-07 14:47     ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 11/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Implement debug output for messages Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 12/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Improve error reporting and debug Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 13/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Implement CRC check for configuration data Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 14/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Download device config using firmware loader Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 15/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Calculate and check CRC in config file Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 16/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Add additional bootloader addresses Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 17/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Read and report bootloader version Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 18/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Implement bootloader frame retries Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 19/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Improve bootloader progress output Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 20/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Add check for incorrect firmware file format Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 21/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Read screen config from chip Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 22/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Set default irqflags when there is no pdata Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 23/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Use deep sleep mode when stopped Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 24/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Add shutdown function Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 25/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Rename pressure to amplitude to match spec Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 26/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Rename touchscreen defines to include T9 Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 27/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Handle multiple input reports in one message Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 28/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Move input device init into separate function Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 29/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Handle APP_CRC_FAIL on startup Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 30/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Handle bootloader previously unlocked Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 31/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Add bootloader addresses for new chips Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 32/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Recover from bootloader on probe Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 33/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Add support for dynamic message size Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 34/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Decode T6 status messages Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 35/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Split message handler into separate functions Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 36/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Implement T44 message handling Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 37/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Output status from T48 Noise Supression Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 38/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Output status from T42 Touch Suppression Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 39/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Implement vector/orientation support Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 40/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - implement I2C retries Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 41/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Implement T63 Active Stylus support Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 42/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Implement support for T15 Key Array Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 43/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Remove unused defines Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 44/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Verify Information Block checksum on probe Nick Dyer
2013-06-07 18:37   ` Yufeng Shen
2013-06-10  9:35     ` Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 45/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Use T18 RETRIGEN to handle IRQF_TRIGGER_LOW Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 46/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Handle reports from T47 Stylus object Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 47/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Release touch state during suspend Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 48/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Initialize power config before and after downloading cfg Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 49/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Add regulator control support Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 50/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Implement support for T100 touch object Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 51/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Allow specification of firmware file name Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 52/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Handle cfg filename via pdata/sysfs Nick Dyer
2013-06-05 17:37 ` [PATCH 53/53] Input: atmel_mxt_ts - Only use first T9 instance Nick Dyer
2013-06-06 19:18 ` Atmel updates to atmel_mxt_ts touch controller driver - v5 Daniel Kurtz <djkurtz@chromium.org>, Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>, Joonyoung Shim <jy0922.shim@samsung.com>, Alan.Bowens@atmel.com, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pmeerw@pmeerw.net, bleung@chromium.org, olofj@chromium.org Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]   ` <CAPDwgkPdtj0Th8P+y9e5O7swARfzS40sG1A3Ba=pAmeXfMx0Dw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-06-06 19:46     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2013-06-07 20:21       ` Yufeng Shen

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