private ioctls in input driver

private ioctls in input driver

[Trilok Soni]

Hi Dmitry,

Is there any way of creating private ioctls in the input driver? I see
that all the input framework handled
by the framework itself and there is no way to call private ioctls if
it doesn't match the standard ones.

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Re: private ioctls in input driver

[Dmitry Torokhov]

Hi Trilok,

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:21:09PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
> Hi Dmitry,
> 
> Is there any way of creating private ioctls in the input driver? I see
> that all the input framework handled
> by the framework itself and there is no way to call private ioctls if
> it doesn't match the standard ones.
> 

You are right, event devices only allow standard ioctl. What kind of
ictl are you considering? Normally device-specific controls are done via
sysfs attached to the parent device (see atkbd, psmouse, etc).

-- 
Dmitry

Re: private ioctls in input driver

[Trilok Soni]

Hi Dmitry,

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Dmitry Torokhov
<dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Trilok,
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:21:09PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
>> Hi Dmitry,
>>
>> Is there any way of creating private ioctls in the input driver? I see
>> that all the input framework handled
>> by the framework itself and there is no way to call private ioctls if
>> it doesn't match the standard ones.
>>
>
> You are right, event devices only allow standard ioctl. What kind of
> ictl are you considering? Normally device-specific controls are done via
> sysfs attached to the parent device (see atkbd, psmouse, etc).

sysfs might good for purpose when you can associate one file per
value, so for more data we can't simply create one file per the data.
Say five fingers touch data (I know we have MT_* support but here it
is just for example) , say id, x, y, z etc., per finger, then we can't
create one file for each of them.

-- 
---Trilok Soni
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http://www.linkedin.com/in/triloksoni

Re: private ioctls in input driver

[Dmitry Torokhov]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 02:21:40PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
> Hi Dmitry,
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Dmitry Torokhov
> <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Trilok,
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:21:09PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
> >> Hi Dmitry,
> >>
> >> Is there any way of creating private ioctls in the input driver? I see
> >> that all the input framework handled
> >> by the framework itself and there is no way to call private ioctls if
> >> it doesn't match the standard ones.
> >>
> >
> > You are right, event devices only allow standard ioctl. What kind of
> > ictl are you considering? Normally device-specific controls are done via
> > sysfs attached to the parent device (see atkbd, psmouse, etc).
> 
> sysfs might good for purpose when you can associate one file per
> value, so for more data we can't simply create one file per the data.
> Say five fingers touch data (I know we have MT_* support but here it
> is just for example) , say id, x, y, z etc., per finger, then we can't
> create one file for each of them.

Maybe use configfs if sysfs is not suitable? I am not sure.

I would like to not-have driver-specific ioctls in evdev/input core but
rather keep them with device/driver itself. Input core should only have
stuff that makes sense for multiple devices.

-- 
Dmitry

Re: private ioctls in input driver

[Trilok Soni]

Hi Dmitry,

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Dmitry Torokhov
<dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 02:21:40PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
>> Hi Dmitry,
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Dmitry Torokhov
>> <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Trilok,
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:21:09PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
>> >> Hi Dmitry,
>> >>
>> >> Is there any way of creating private ioctls in the input driver? I see
>> >> that all the input framework handled
>> >> by the framework itself and there is no way to call private ioctls if
>> >> it doesn't match the standard ones.
>> >>
>> >
>> > You are right, event devices only allow standard ioctl. What kind of
>> > ictl are you considering? Normally device-specific controls are done via
>> > sysfs attached to the parent device (see atkbd, psmouse, etc).
>>
>> sysfs might good for purpose when you can associate one file per
>> value, so for more data we can't simply create one file per the data.
>> Say five fingers touch data (I know we have MT_* support but here it
>> is just for example) , say id, x, y, z etc., per finger, then we can't
>> create one file for each of them.
>
> Maybe use configfs if sysfs is not suitable? I am not sure.
>
> I would like to not-have driver-specific ioctls in evdev/input core but
> rather keep them with device/driver itself. Input core should only have
> stuff that makes sense for multiple devices.

I mean on the similar line only, we won't add any driver-specific
ioctls in evdev/input core, but just transfer their control to resp.
device/driver itself, may be similar in the line of how v4l2 does.

-- 
---Trilok Soni
http://triloksoni.wordpress.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/triloksoni

Re: private ioctls in input driver

[Barry Song]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Trilok Soni <soni.trilok@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dmitry,
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Dmitry Torokhov
> <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 02:21:40PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
> >> Hi Dmitry,
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Dmitry Torokhov
> >> <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Trilok,
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:21:09PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
> >> >> Hi Dmitry,
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there any way of creating private ioctls in the input driver? I see
> >> >> that all the input framework handled
> >> >> by the framework itself and there is no way to call private ioctls if
> >> >> it doesn't match the standard ones.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You are right, event devices only allow standard ioctl. What kind of
> >> > ictl are you considering? Normally device-specific controls are done via
> >> > sysfs attached to the parent device (see atkbd, psmouse, etc).
> >>
> >> sysfs might good for purpose when you can associate one file per
> >> value, so for more data we can't simply create one file per the data.
> >> Say five fingers touch data (I know we have MT_* support but here it
> >> is just for example) , say id, x, y, z etc., per finger, then we can't
> >> create one file for each of them.
> >
> > Maybe use configfs if sysfs is not suitable? I am not sure.
> >
> > I would like to not-have driver-specific ioctls in evdev/input core but
> > rather keep them with device/driver itself. Input core should only have
> > stuff that makes sense for multiple devices.
>
> I mean on the similar line only, we won't add any driver-specific
> ioctls in evdev/input core, but just transfer their control to resp.
> device/driver itself, may be similar in the line of how v4l2 does.
Sometimes, we really have this kind of requirement. Now there are more
and more kinds of input devices. Some devices have special controls
which should not belong to generic input layer. How about add a case
item in  evdev_do_ioctl() to handle these commands and call drivers'
ioctl directly?

>
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> http://www.linkedin.com/in/triloksoni
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Re: private ioctls in input driver

[Dmitry Torokhov]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:50:15AM +0800, Barry Song wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Trilok Soni <soni.trilok@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dmitry,
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Dmitry Torokhov
> > <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 02:21:40PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
> > >> Hi Dmitry,
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Dmitry Torokhov
> > >> <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Hi Trilok,
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:21:09PM +0530, Trilok Soni wrote:
> > >> >> Hi Dmitry,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Is there any way of creating private ioctls in the input driver? I see
> > >> >> that all the input framework handled
> > >> >> by the framework itself and there is no way to call private ioctls if
> > >> >> it doesn't match the standard ones.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > You are right, event devices only allow standard ioctl. What kind of
> > >> > ictl are you considering? Normally device-specific controls are done via
> > >> > sysfs attached to the parent device (see atkbd, psmouse, etc).
> > >>
> > >> sysfs might good for purpose when you can associate one file per
> > >> value, so for more data we can't simply create one file per the data.
> > >> Say five fingers touch data (I know we have MT_* support but here it
> > >> is just for example) , say id, x, y, z etc., per finger, then we can't
> > >> create one file for each of them.
> > >
> > > Maybe use configfs if sysfs is not suitable? I am not sure.
> > >
> > > I would like to not-have driver-specific ioctls in evdev/input core but
> > > rather keep them with device/driver itself. Input core should only have
> > > stuff that makes sense for multiple devices.
> >
> > I mean on the similar line only, we won't add any driver-specific
> > ioctls in evdev/input core, but just transfer their control to resp.
> > device/driver itself, may be similar in the line of how v4l2 does.
> Sometimes, we really have this kind of requirement. Now there are more
> and more kinds of input devices. Some devices have special controls
> which should not belong to generic input layer. How about add a case
> item in  evdev_do_ioctl() to handle these commands and call drivers'
> ioctl directly?
> 

This is exactly what I don't want to have in the input layer. These
device-specific knobs belong with the hardware device. Take a look at
psmouse and all it's protocol drivers and AT keyboard and so forth. They
allow adjusting device-specific behavior via device-specific sysfs
entries.

Ioctls in evdev are fine if they are generic enough to not be tied to
particular device. And as usual with ioctls we need to be very careful
with 32/64 bit, endianness and accessibility (sysfs does not require any
additional tools).

-- 
Dmitry