G25 + Linux

G25 + Linux

[Richie Ward]

Hi, I have a Logitech G25 and 2.6.24.. I cant seem to get force
feedback working.. only 2 gears on the gearstick work, and the clutch
pedal doesnt work.

I have tested using ff-utils (On sourceforge!).

Has this hardware been reverse engineered? I wish to use it for wine games.

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Re: G25 + Linux

[Annick et Jean-Philippe]

Hi, all.

For the happy owners of a Logitech G25 wheel that did not manage yet
to enjoy the full features of the beast under Linux, this is a small
summary of what I found on the net and my own humble experience about it
on a 2.6.22.9 Kernel (Mandriva 2008.0 x86_64) :

Note: This is only my own understanding and summarizing of what people cleverer
       than me discovered by themselves. My work only consisted to put
       all the stuff together in an as clear, simple and explict as possible
       sum-up. See at the bottom for references and real authors.

1) when plugged in, the G25 identies itself as a Logitech Formula Force EX
    USB device (046d:c294) ; you only get 4 axes and 12 buttons, that is
    neither clutch pedal nor any of the 3trd to 6th gear on the grid shifter
2) to get the lacking native features of the beast, it must be sent a command
    to switch to its native mode, that makes it disconnect and reconnect
    as itself this time (USB device ids 046d:c299)
    Note: Another similar command can also switch it to the Logitech Driving
          Force Pro mode.
3) to send the command, you need a userland tool that basically writes
    the associated bytes on the USB device, and the one I am using is
    usbtool <ftp://srv.l14.ru/pub/usbtool-0.1.tar.gz>
    (the package includes pre-built binaries for python 2.5,
     and sources if you need to build it yourself) ;

    to swhitch the G25 to its native mode, after plugging it in, I simply use :
      ./usbtool -v g25-set-extended-mode

    Note: you can also send other pre-configured commands with the usbtool
          (run ./usbtool --list-commands to see which)
          like g25-set-range-wheel-900 (teasing ;-)
    BUT: I never succeeded to send 2 successive commands to the device :
         the first one is generally OK (sometimes, though, you may need to repeat
         it), but the second (and following ones) seems to be completely ignored.

4) but this makes disappear the /dev/jsX and /dev/input/eventY devices !
    to get them back and be able to play with the G25, I use :
      sudo rmmod joydev
      sudo rmmod usbhid
      sudo modprobe usbhid
    (man sudo and sudoers to be able to run these root commands)

5) Then, if you find that the "dead zone" at the center of the wheel
    is too large (the centered angle where nothing happens when you steer into),
    it is only beacause you need to calibrate your device.
    I use jscal (ff-utils @ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/libff)
    to do that :
    a) plug-in the device
    b) send the native mode-switch command if you like (see above 3)
    c) jscal -c /dev/jsX (X being 0, 1, ... look which in /dev after plugging-in)
    d) jstest /dev/jsX (to test if everything fits your desire)
    e) jscal -p /dev/jsX (to get the jscal command to put in your .bashrc
       or any script you would run before your favorite games ...)

Note: All this stuff should also work for a Driving Force Pro, and some says
       that it's also true for the Momo Racing wheels ... but don't tested.

Now, as far as force feedback is concerned, I have no such good news
for the moment : fftest and ffcstress don't work for me for the moment.

References:

Thanks to avl, eckzow, anrp, thelusiv, tof8pool, synapse247 and cuckoo,
  on http://vdrift.net forum :
   http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=412&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
   http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=3751&highlight=linuxinput#3751
   ftp://srv.l14.ru/pub/usbtool-0.1.tar.gz

Thanks to Jiri Kosina, Chris Guirl,
  from the Linux input dev team
   http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz
   http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-input@vger.kernel.org
(search "g25" on each list)

Hoping this helps ...

Jean-Philippe.

Re: G25 + Linux

[D. Ragno]

I never did get all of this to work with a MOMO Racing (black) wheel.
The wheel by itself was ok, however i had combined not separate axis
for the pedals and no FF.

I'd like do some further investigation on the why, I only really
started to look into it, when rFactor and GTR2 started to work in
wine. I think this wheel is acting similar to the G25, starting in a
compatibility mode, and needed commands to set it to native. I'm not
sure if the hardware itself is a single axis for the pedals, with some
separation done in the driver to report two separate ones. I've seen a
patch for a 2.4 kernel to this effect.

If there's some serious work going into better support of the Logitech
loops, I'd like to keep in the loop and contribute. Jean-Philippe
probably has the best overall explanation of it all, as when I was
looking for information, it was sparse at best and conflicting at
worst. Is there someone at Logitech that could offer up some actual
documentation?

2008/5/12 Annick et Jean-Philippe <jpmeuret@free.fr>:
> Hi, all.
>
> For the happy owners of a Logitech G25 wheel that did not manage yet
> to enjoy the full features of the beast under Linux, this is a small
> summary of what I found on the net and my own humble experience about it
> on a 2.6.22.9 Kernel (Mandriva 2008.0 x86_64) :
>
> Note: This is only my own understanding and summarizing of what people cleverer
>      than me discovered by themselves. My work only consisted to put
>      all the stuff together in an as clear, simple and explict as possible
>      sum-up. See at the bottom for references and real authors.
>
> 1) when plugged in, the G25 identies itself as a Logitech Formula Force EX
>   USB device (046d:c294) ; you only get 4 axes and 12 buttons, that is
>   neither clutch pedal nor any of the 3trd to 6th gear on the grid shifter
> 2) to get the lacking native features of the beast, it must be sent a command
>   to switch to its native mode, that makes it disconnect and reconnect
>   as itself this time (USB device ids 046d:c299)
>   Note: Another similar command can also switch it to the Logitech Driving
>         Force Pro mode.
> 3) to send the command, you need a userland tool that basically writes
>   the associated bytes on the USB device, and the one I am using is
>   usbtool <ftp://srv.l14.ru/pub/usbtool-0.1.tar.gz>
>   (the package includes pre-built binaries for python 2.5,
>    and sources if you need to build it yourself) ;
>
>   to swhitch the G25 to its native mode, after plugging it in, I simply use :
>     ./usbtool -v g25-set-extended-mode
>
>   Note: you can also send other pre-configured commands with the usbtool
>         (run ./usbtool --list-commands to see which)
>         like g25-set-range-wheel-900 (teasing ;-)
>   BUT: I never succeeded to send 2 successive commands to the device :
>        the first one is generally OK (sometimes, though, you may need to repeat
>        it), but the second (and following ones) seems to be completely ignored.
>
> 4) but this makes disappear the /dev/jsX and /dev/input/eventY devices !
>   to get them back and be able to play with the G25, I use :
>     sudo rmmod joydev
>     sudo rmmod usbhid
>     sudo modprobe usbhid
>   (man sudo and sudoers to be able to run these root commands)
>
> 5) Then, if you find that the "dead zone" at the center of the wheel
>   is too large (the centered angle where nothing happens when you steer into),
>   it is only beacause you need to calibrate your device.
>   I use jscal (ff-utils @ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/libff)
>   to do that :
>   a) plug-in the device
>   b) send the native mode-switch command if you like (see above 3)
>   c) jscal -c /dev/jsX (X being 0, 1, ... look which in /dev after plugging-in)
>   d) jstest /dev/jsX (to test if everything fits your desire)
>   e) jscal -p /dev/jsX (to get the jscal command to put in your .bashrc
>      or any script you would run before your favorite games ...)
>
> Note: All this stuff should also work for a Driving Force Pro, and some says
>      that it's also true for the Momo Racing wheels ... but don't tested.
>
> Now, as far as force feedback is concerned, I have no such good news
> for the moment : fftest and ffcstress don't work for me for the moment.
>
> References:
>
> Thanks to avl, eckzow, anrp, thelusiv, tof8pool, synapse247 and cuckoo,
>  on http://vdrift.net forum :
>  http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=412&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
>  http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=3751&highlight=linuxinput#3751
>  ftp://srv.l14.ru/pub/usbtool-0.1.tar.gz
>
> Thanks to Jiri Kosina, Chris Guirl,
>  from the Linux input dev team
>  http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz
>  http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-input@vger.kernel.org
> (search "g25" on each list)
>
> Hoping this helps ...
>
> Jean-Philippe.
>
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G25 + Linux

[Richie Ward]

Don't expect help from Logitech unless an employee is a friend there.
Maybe someone can reverse engineer windows drivers or sniff the usb.

I have usbtool mirrored on my site:
http://richieward.com/files/usbtool-0.1-compiled.tar.gz
People should make more mirrors.

I made some of that into a bash script (run script as root):
#!/bin/bash
./usbtool g25-set-extended-mode
sleep 1
./usbtool g25-set-range-wheel-900
sleep 1
rmmod joydev
sleep 1
rmmod usbhid
sleep 1
modprobe usbhid

some ff attempts:
richie@richie-desktop:~/Downloads/ff-utils$ sudo ./ffcfstress -d /dev/input/js0
ERROR: can not get key bits (Invalid argument) [ffcfstress.c:118]

richie@richie-desktop:~/Downloads/ff-utils$ sudo ./ffcfstress -d
/dev/input/by-id/usb-046d_G25_Racing_Wheel-event-joystick
ERROR: device (or driver) has no force feedback support [ffcfstress.c:165]

richie@richie-desktop:~/Downloads/ff-utils$ sudo ./ffcfstress -d
/dev/input/by-id/usb-046d_G25_Racing_Wheel-joystick
ERROR: can not get key bits (Invalid argument) [ffcfstress.c:118]

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:15 AM, D. Ragno <homerj@icculus.org> wrote:
> I never did get all of this to work with a MOMO Racing (black) wheel.
> The wheel by itself was ok, however i had combined not separate axis
> for the pedals and no FF.
>
> I'd like do some further investigation on the why, I only really
> started to look into it, when rFactor and GTR2 started to work in
> wine. I think this wheel is acting similar to the G25, starting in a
> compatibility mode, and needed commands to set it to native. I'm not
> sure if the hardware itself is a single axis for the pedals, with some
> separation done in the driver to report two separate ones. I've seen a
> patch for a 2.4 kernel to this effect.
>
> If there's some serious work going into better support of the Logitech
> loops, I'd like to keep in the loop and contribute. Jean-Philippe
> probably has the best overall explanation of it all, as when I was
> looking for information, it was sparse at best and conflicting at
> worst. Is there someone at Logitech that could offer up some actual
> documentation?
>
> 2008/5/12 Annick et Jean-Philippe <jpmeuret@free.fr>:
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> For the happy owners of a Logitech G25 wheel that did not manage yet
>> to enjoy the full features of the beast under Linux, this is a small
>> summary of what I found on the net and my own humble experience about it
>> on a 2.6.22.9 Kernel (Mandriva 2008.0 x86_64) :
>>
>> Note: This is only my own understanding and summarizing of what people cleverer
>>      than me discovered by themselves. My work only consisted to put
>>      all the stuff together in an as clear, simple and explict as possible
>>      sum-up. See at the bottom for references and real authors.
>>
>> 1) when plugged in, the G25 identies itself as a Logitech Formula Force EX
>>   USB device (046d:c294) ; you only get 4 axes and 12 buttons, that is
>>   neither clutch pedal nor any of the 3trd to 6th gear on the grid shifter
>> 2) to get the lacking native features of the beast, it must be sent a command
>>   to switch to its native mode, that makes it disconnect and reconnect
>>   as itself this time (USB device ids 046d:c299)
>>   Note: Another similar command can also switch it to the Logitech Driving
>>         Force Pro mode.
>> 3) to send the command, you need a userland tool that basically writes
>>   the associated bytes on the USB device, and the one I am using is
>>   usbtool <ftp://srv.l14.ru/pub/usbtool-0.1.tar.gz>
>>   (the package includes pre-built binaries for python 2.5,
>>    and sources if you need to build it yourself) ;
>>
>>   to swhitch the G25 to its native mode, after plugging it in, I simply use :
>>     ./usbtool -v g25-set-extended-mode
>>
>>   Note: you can also send other pre-configured commands with the usbtool
>>         (run ./usbtool --list-commands to see which)
>>         like g25-set-range-wheel-900 (teasing ;-)
>>   BUT: I never succeeded to send 2 successive commands to the device :
>>        the first one is generally OK (sometimes, though, you may need to repeat
>>        it), but the second (and following ones) seems to be completely ignored.
>>
>> 4) but this makes disappear the /dev/jsX and /dev/input/eventY devices !
>>   to get them back and be able to play with the G25, I use :
>>     sudo rmmod joydev
>>     sudo rmmod usbhid
>>     sudo modprobe usbhid
>>   (man sudo and sudoers to be able to run these root commands)
>>
>> 5) Then, if you find that the "dead zone" at the center of the wheel
>>   is too large (the centered angle where nothing happens when you steer into),
>>   it is only beacause you need to calibrate your device.
>>   I use jscal (ff-utils @ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/libff)
>>   to do that :
>>   a) plug-in the device
>>   b) send the native mode-switch command if you like (see above 3)
>>   c) jscal -c /dev/jsX (X being 0, 1, ... look which in /dev after plugging-in)
>>   d) jstest /dev/jsX (to test if everything fits your desire)
>>   e) jscal -p /dev/jsX (to get the jscal command to put in your .bashrc
>>      or any script you would run before your favorite games ...)
>>
>> Note: All this stuff should also work for a Driving Force Pro, and some says
>>      that it's also true for the Momo Racing wheels ... but don't tested.
>>
>> Now, as far as force feedback is concerned, I have no such good news
>> for the moment : fftest and ffcstress don't work for me for the moment.
>>
>> References:
>>
>> Thanks to avl, eckzow, anrp, thelusiv, tof8pool, synapse247 and cuckoo,
>>  on http://vdrift.net forum :
>>  http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=412&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60
>>  http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=3751&highlight=linuxinput#3751
>>  ftp://srv.l14.ru/pub/usbtool-0.1.tar.gz
>>
>> Thanks to Jiri Kosina, Chris Guirl,
>>  from the Linux input dev team
>>  http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-input@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz
>>  http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-input@vger.kernel.org
>> (search "g25" on each list)
>>
>> Hoping this helps ...
>>
>> Jean-Philippe.
>>
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Thanks, Richie Ward