From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
To: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com>
Cc: jikos@kernel.org, Jelle van der Waa <jelle@vdwaa.nl>,
Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
linux-input@vger.kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
linux-leds@vger.kernel.org,
Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 12:51:21 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bk9hppee.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6bbfdd62-e663-4a45-82f4-445069a8d690@redhat.com>
On Fri, 19 Jan 2024, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
> For per key controllable rgb LEDs we need to discuss a coordinate
> system. I propose using a fixed size of 16 rows of 64 keys,
> so 64x16 in standard WxH notation.
>
> And then storing RGB in separate bytes, so userspace will then
> always send a buffer of 192 bytes per line (64x3) x 14 rows
> = 3072 bytes. With the kernel driver ignoring parts of
> the buffer where there are no actual keys.
>
> I would then like the map the standard 105 key layout onto this,
> starting at x.y (column.row) coordinates of 16.6 (with 0.0 being
> the top left). Leaving plenty of space on the left top and right
> (and some on the bottom) for extra media key rows, macro keys, etc.
>
> The idea to have the standard layout at a fixed place is to allow
> userspace to have a database of preset patterns which will work
> everywhere.
>
> Note I say standard 105 key layout, but in reality for
> defining the standardized part of the buffer we should
> use the maximum amount of keys per row of all the standard layouts,
> so for row 6 (the ESC row) and for extra keys on the right outside
> the main block we use the standard layout as shown here:
Doesn't the input stack already have to have pretty much all of this
already covered? I can view the keyboard layout in my desktop
environment, and it's a reasonably accurate match, even if unlikely to
be pixel perfect. But crucially, it has to have all the possible layouts
covered already.
And while I would personally hate it, you can imagine a use case where
you'd like a keypress to have a visual effect around the key you
pressed. A kind of force feedback, if you will. I don't actually know,
and correct me if I'm wrong, but feels like implementing that outside of
the input subsystem would be non-trivial.
Cc: Dmitry, could we at least have some input from the input subsystem
POV on this? AFAICT we have received none.
BR,
Jani.
>
> http://www.maxkeyboard.com/images/105_ISO_6_25_Key_Layout.jpg
>
> For the main area of the keyboard looking at:
>
> http://bopqehorizon.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/4/3/134337299/913246919_orig.png
>
> We want to max rows per key, so this means that per row we use
> (from the above image) :
>
> row 7: 106/109 - JIS
> row 8: 101/104 - ANSI
> row 9: 102/105 - ISO
> row 10: 104/107 - ABNT
> row 11: 106/109 - JIS
>
> (with row 7 being the main area top row)
>
> This way we can address all the possible keys in the various
> standard layouts in one standard wat and then the drivers can
> just skip keys which are not there when preparing the buffer
> to send to the hw / fw.
>
> One open question is if we should add padding after the main
> area so that the printscreen / ins / del / leftarrow of the
> "middle" block of
>
> http://www.maxkeyboard.com/images/105_ISO_6_25_Key_Layout.jpg
>
> all start at the same x (say 32) or we just pack these directly
> after the main area.
>
> And the same question for the numlock block, do we align
> this to an x of say 36, or pack it ?
>
>
> As for the actual IOCTL API I think there should be
> the following ioctls:
>
> 1. A get-info ioctl returning a struct with the following members:
>
> {
> char name[64] /* Keyboard model name / identifier */
> int row_begin[16]; /* The x address of the first available key per row. On a std 105key kbd this will be 16 for rows 6-11, 0 for other rows */
> int row_end[16]; /* x+1 for the address of the last available key per row, end - begin gives number of keys in a row */
> int rgb_zones; /* number of rgb zones for zoned keyboards. Note both
> zones and per key addressing may be available if
> effects are applied per zone. */
> ?
> }
>
> 2. A set-leds ioctl which takes the earlier discussed 3092 bytes buffer
> to set all the LEDs at once, only valid if at least one row has a non 0 lenght.
>
> 3. A set-zones ioctl which takes an array of bytes sized 3 * number-of-zones
> containing RGB values for each zone
>
> 4. A enum_effects ioctl which takes a struct with the following members:
>
> {
> long size; /* Size of passed in struct including the size member itself */
> long effects_mask[]
> }
>
> the idea being that there is an enum with effects, which gets extended
> as we encounter more effects and the bitmask in effects_mask has a bit set
> for each effects enum value which is supported. effects_mask is an array
> so that we don't run out of bits. If older userspace only passes 1 long
> (size == (2*sizeof(long)) when 2 are needed at some point in the future
> then the kernel will simply only fill the first long.
>
> 5. A set_effect ioctl which takes a struct with the following members:
>
> {
> long size; /* Size of passed in struct including the size member itself */
> int effect_nr; /* enum value of the effect to enable, 0 for disable effect */
> int zone; /* zone to apply the effect to */
> int speed; /* cycle speed of the effect in milli-hz */
> char color1[3]; /* effect dependend may be unused. */
> char color2[3]; /* effect dependend may be unused. */
> }
>
> Again the idea with the size member is that the struct can be extended with
> new members if necessary and the kernel will supply a default value for
> older userspaces which provide a smaller struct (note size being smaller
> then sizeof(struct-v1) will invalid).
>
>
> Note this is all just a rough sketch suggestions welcome!
>
> Regards,
>
> Hans
>
>
>
--
Jani Nikula, Intel
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2023-10-13 14:54 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 19:56 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 20:03 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-16 10:57 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-23 11:40 ` Jani Nikula
2023-10-23 11:44 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-11-20 20:53 ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-20 20:52 ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-21 11:33 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-21 12:20 ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-21 13:29 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-22 18:34 ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-27 10:59 ` Werner Sembach
2023-12-29 19:13 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-17 15:26 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 16:50 ` Userspace API for per key backlight for non HID (no hidraw) keyboards Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 19:03 ` Armin Wolf
2024-01-18 0:58 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-18 17:45 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-18 22:32 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 8:44 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-19 10:51 ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2024-01-19 16:06 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 18:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2024-01-19 22:14 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-23 16:51 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 16:04 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-29 13:24 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 11:12 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 17:10 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 18:09 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 18:35 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 19:08 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 19:46 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-31 11:41 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux Werner Sembach
2024-01-31 15:52 ` Roderick Colenbrander
2024-02-21 11:12 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Werner Sembach
2024-02-21 22:17 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 9:04 ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-02-22 17:38 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 8:53 ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-07-23 20:40 ` Keybaords with arrays of RGB LEDs was " Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 9:21 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2024-02-22 10:46 ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 11:38 ` Gregor Riepl
2024-02-22 12:39 ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 13:14 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3 Werner Sembach
2024-03-18 11:11 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-19 15:18 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:18 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 17:01 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:16 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:33 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 18:45 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:25 ` In kernel virtual HID devices (was Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3) Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 15:56 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-25 16:48 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:30 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-26 7:57 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-26 15:39 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-26 16:57 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:03 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-28 23:52 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:01 ` Hans de Goede
2024-07-24 17:36 ` Pavel Machek
2024-07-24 21:08 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:38 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-09 13:33 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-22 17:42 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:52 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:23 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 8:33 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:15 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-19 20:22 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:32 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-29 13:24 ` Hans de Goede
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