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From: Armin Wolf <W_Armin@gmx.de>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: "Werner Sembach" <wse@tuxedocomputers.com>,
	"Benjamin Tissoires" <bentiss@kernel.org>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, jelle@vdwaa.nl,
	jikos@kernel.org, lee@kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-leds@vger.kernel.org,
	miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com, ojeda@kernel.org,
	onitake@gmail.com, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] platform/x86/tuxedo: Add virtual LampArray for TUXEDO NB04 devices
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 22:26:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a796f0e7-47a8-40fa-a64e-9dd56117bf78@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZwlDpCPhieF3tezX@duo.ucw.cz>

Am 11.10.24 um 17:26 schrieb Pavel Machek:

> Hi!
>
>>> 1.
>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/6b32fb73-0544-4a68-95ba-e82406a4b188@gmx.de/
>>> -> Should be no problem? Because this is not generally exposing wmi
>>> calls, just mapping two explicitly with sanitized input (whitelisting
>>> basically).
>> It would be OK to expose a selected set of WMI calls to userspace and sanitizing the input of protect potentially buggy firmware from userspace.
>>
> I don't believe this is good idea. Passthrough interfaces where
> userland talks directly to hardware are very tricky.
>
>> Regarding the basic idea of having a virtual HID interface: i would prefer to create a illumination subsystem instead, but i have to agree that we should be doing this
>> only after enough drivers are inside the kernel, so we can design a
>> suitable interface for them. For now, creating a virtual HID
>> interface seems to be good enough.
> I have an RGB keyboard, and would like to get it supported. I already
> have kernel driver for LEDs (which breaks input functionality). I'd
> like to cooperate on "illumination" subsystem.
>
> Best regards,
> 								Pavel

Sorry for taking a bit long to respond.

This "illumination" subsystem would (from my perspective) act like some sort of LED subsystem
for devices with a high count of LEDs, like some RGB keyboards.

This would allow us too:
- provide an abstract interface for userspace applications like OpenRGB
- provide an generic LED subsystem emulation on top of the illumination device (optional)
- support future RGB controllers in a generic way

Advanced features like RGB effects, etc can be added later should the need arise.

I would suggest that we model it after the HID LampArray interface:

- interface for querying:
  - number of LEDs
  - supported colors, etc of those LEDs
  - position of those LEDs if available
  - kind (keyboard, ...)
  - latency, etc
- interface for setting multiple LEDs at once
- interface for setting a range of LEDs at once
- interface for getting the current LED colors

Since sysfs has a "one value per file" rule, i suggest that we use a chardev interface
for querying per-LED data and for setting/getting LED colors.

I do not know if mixing sysfs (for controller attributes like number of LEDs, etc) and IOCTL
(for setting/getting LED colors) is a good idea, any thoughts?

Thanks,
Armin Wolf


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-21 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-26 17:44 [PATCH 0/1] platform/x86/tuxedo: Add virtual LampArray for TUXEDO NB04 Werner Sembach
2024-09-26 17:44 ` [PATCH 1/1] platform/x86/tuxedo: Add virtual LampArray for TUXEDO NB04 devices Werner Sembach
2024-09-26 18:39   ` Armin Wolf
2024-09-27  6:59     ` Werner Sembach
2024-09-27 11:24       ` Werner Sembach
2024-09-27 17:18         ` Armin Wolf
2024-09-28  7:40           ` Werner Sembach
2024-09-27 17:15       ` Armin Wolf
2024-09-28  7:36         ` Werner Sembach
2024-09-27  8:59   ` kernel test robot
2024-09-27  9:20   ` kernel test robot
2024-09-27 12:18   ` kernel test robot
2024-09-27 21:01   ` Pavel Machek
2024-09-27 22:21     ` Armin Wolf
2024-09-28  7:27       ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-09-28  8:23         ` Werner Sembach
2024-09-28 10:05           ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-09-30 15:35             ` Werner Sembach
2024-09-30 16:15               ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-09-30 16:35                 ` Werner Sembach
2024-09-30 17:06                   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-01 12:23                     ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-01 12:28                       ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-01 13:41                       ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-01 16:45                         ` Armin Wolf
2024-10-01 19:32                           ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-02  8:42                             ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-02  9:27                               ` Armin Wolf
2024-10-03 16:01                                 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-01 19:18                         ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-02  8:31                           ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-07 17:57                             ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-08  9:53                               ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-08 10:45                                 ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-08 12:18                                   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-08 14:51                                     ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-08 15:21                                       ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-09  9:55                                         ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-11 12:14                                           ` Armin Wolf
2024-10-11 15:26                                             ` Pavel Machek
2024-10-21 20:26                                               ` Armin Wolf [this message]
2024-10-22  7:58                                                 ` Hans de Goede
2024-10-22  8:51                                                   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-22  9:37                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2024-10-22 15:02                                                       ` Armin Wolf
2024-10-23 17:54                                                         ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-22  9:47                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2024-10-22 15:18                                                     ` Armin Wolf
2024-10-22 19:15                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2024-10-23  7:03                                                         ` Armin Wolf
2024-10-23 17:14                                                         ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-23 17:47                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2024-10-23 16:38                                                     ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-22  9:05                                           ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-23 17:23                                             ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-01 21:03                         ` Pavel Machek
2024-10-02  8:13                           ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-02  9:53                             ` Pavel Machek
2024-10-02 10:21                               ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-03 10:59                                 ` Pavel Machek
2024-10-03 12:54                                   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-10-11 15:23                                     ` Pavel Machek
2024-09-28  8:09       ` Werner Sembach
2024-10-01 20:47         ` Pavel Machek
2024-09-28  7:55     ` Werner Sembach
2024-09-27 16:08 ` [PATCH 0/1] platform/x86/tuxedo: Add virtual LampArray for TUXEDO NB04 Benjamin Tissoires
2024-09-27 21:03   ` Pavel Machek
2024-09-28  7:31   ` Werner Sembach

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