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From: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: David Heidelberg <david@ixit.cz>
Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	 Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	 Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	 "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Matthias Schiffer <matthias.schiffer@ew.tq-group.com>,
	 Vincent Huang <vincent.huang@tw.synaptics.com>,
	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>,
	 Konrad Dybcio <konradybcio@kernel.org>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	phone-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] arm64: dts: qcom: sdm845-oneplus: Update compatible to include model
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 22:38:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aj4QUY5p7gqLplVT@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32affded-bae2-46c4-a702-2054fbfe46a8@ixit.cz>

On Thu, Jun 25, 2026 at 08:39:15PM +0200, David Heidelberg wrote:
> On 25/06/2026 18:57, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > Hi Krzysztof,
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2026 at 10:23:54AM +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> > > On 25/06/2026 06:53, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2026 at 04:37:25PM +0200, David Heidelberg wrote:
> > > > > On 24/06/2026 06:28, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > > > > > Hi David,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 07:11:45PM +0200, David Heidelberg wrote:
> > > > > > > On 28/05/2026 00:13, David Heidelberg wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 27/05/2026 23:56, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi David,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 23, 2026 at 11:45:35AM +0200, David Heidelberg via B4 Relay wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > From: David Heidelberg <david@ixit.cz>
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > We know the driver is reporting s3706b, introduce the compatible so we
> > > > > > > > > > can more easily introduce quirks for weird touchscreen replacements in
> > > > > > > > > > followup series.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Reviewed-by: Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@oss.qualcomm.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: David Heidelberg <david@ixit.cz>
> > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > >     arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm845-oneplus-common.dtsi | 2 +-
> > > > > > > > > >     1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm845-oneplus-common.dtsi
> > > > > > > > > > b/arch/ arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm845-oneplus-common.dtsi
> > > > > > > > > > index 6b7378cf4d493..148164d456a5a 100644
> > > > > > > > > > --- a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm845-oneplus-common.dtsi
> > > > > > > > > > +++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/sdm845-oneplus-common.dtsi
> > > > > > > > > > @@ -475,17 +475,17 @@ bq27441_fg: bq27441-battery@55 {
> > > > > > > > > >         };
> > > > > > > > > >     };
> > > > > > > > > >     &i2c12 {
> > > > > > > > > >         status = "okay";
> > > > > > > > > >         clock-frequency = <400000>;
> > > > > > > > > >         synaptics-rmi4-i2c@20 {
> > > > > > > > > > -        compatible = "syna,rmi4-i2c";
> > > > > > > > > > +        compatible = "syna,rmi4-s3706b", "syna,rmi4-i2c";
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > So I believe we established that this device (s3706b) does not in fact
> > > > > > > > > implement rmi4 protocol properly. Why do we have "syna,rmi4-i2c" as a
> > > > > > > > > fallback? Shouldn't it be just "syna,rmi4-s3706b"?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The vendor supplies s3706b which does implement the RMI4 properly.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The 3rd party replacement impersonating original parts may not implement
> > > > > > > > it properly, but I don't address this issue in this initial submission.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > With this compatible we know which original part is used by the vendor
> > > > > > > > and installed in the phones, so later we can deduct specific sequences
> > > > > > > > for the replacement aftermarket parts to keep phone touchscreen working
> > > > > > > > same as they do on Android without affecting other devices.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hello Dmitry.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > May I ask what is currently preventing this series from moving forward?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The first version was posted in 2023 [1]. I picked it up again in 2025 [2]
> > > > > > > and am now on the 9th iteration (this patchset). At this point, the series
> > > > > > > has been under discussion for well over a year, with relatively little
> > > > > > > feedback and increasingly long gaps between review rounds.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The current approach is based on the guidance I have received so far,
> > > > > > > including suggestions from the device-tree maintainers. When concerns were
> > > > > > > raised, I tried to address them and rework the series accordingly.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What I am struggling with is understanding what specific issue still needs
> > > > > > > to be resolved before these patches can be accepted. If there are remaining
> > > > > > > requirements, objections to the approach, or technical concerns that I have
> > > > > > > not addressed, I would appreciate having them stated explicitly so I can
> > > > > > > work on them.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I also split out the straightforward, self-contained changes in the hope
> > > > > > > that at least those could progress independently while I continued working
> > > > > > > on any follow-up requirements. However, even those patches do not appear to
> > > > > > > be moving forward.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Could you please clarify what outcome you would like to see from this
> > > > > > > series, and what concrete changes would be required to get it accepted?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am still confused about how you want to differentiate between the full
> > > > > > RMI4 support vs the OnePlus flavor. The "syna,rmi4-s3706b", as you
> > > > > > mentioned, implements RMI4 protocol properly, so we do not need to
> > > > > > actually have it documented neither in binding nor in DTS.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- part 1 ---
> > > > > 
> > > > > This series addresses identification within device-tree. It's normal
> > > > > recommended practice.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If we know, the device ships specific, but **compliant** variant, we just
> > > > > put it as compatible = "more-specific", "less-specific"; in this case
> > > > > "syna,rmi4-s3706b", "syna,rmi4-i2c"
> > > > > 
> > > > > This approach is used everywhere. This has nothing to do with after-market parts.
> > > > 
> > > > We do this in many cases, sometimes when a part has different timings or
> > > > maybe additional functionality compared to the base model.
> > > 
> > > Generic expectation is to have always dedicated front compatible for
> > > every device. rmi4-i2c is not really specific enough, more like a
> > > family, thus a specific device compatible is essential by the DT rules.
> > 
> > Essential in what way? What will break if such compatible is not there?
> > We have lived without it for many years and will continue live happily
> > without it for years to come.
> 
> Hi Dmitry, Krzystof,
> 
> Device tree should describe the hardware, rmi4-i2c isn't the exact model of
> hardware used, the real hardware is Synaptics S3706B. Device-tree should,
> where possible, describe the actual hardware used.
> 
> > 
> > We keep having this conversation each time there is self-describing
> > protocol that does not require knowledge of a specific part number:
> > i2c-hid, rmi4, spi-hid coming over soon.
> 
> While the protocol doesn't require this knowledge, where is the issue
> provide the model, at least in the places where we know it?
> 
> Does it making things worse to describe hardware in more detail?

OK, I applied the binding change, the dts change should go through some
other tree.

Thanks.

-- 
Dmitry

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-26  5:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-23  9:45 [PATCH v2 0/2] Introduce OnePlus 6/6T touchscreen compatible David Heidelberg via B4 Relay
2026-05-23  9:45 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] dt-bindings: input: syna,rmi4: Document syna,rmi4-s3706b David Heidelberg via B4 Relay
2026-06-26  5:37   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-05-23  9:45 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] arm64: dts: qcom: sdm845-oneplus: Update compatible to include model David Heidelberg via B4 Relay
2026-05-27 21:56   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-05-27 22:13     ` David Heidelberg
2026-06-21 17:11       ` David Heidelberg
2026-06-24  4:28         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-06-24 14:37           ` David Heidelberg
2026-06-25  4:53             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-06-25  8:23               ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-06-25  8:25                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-06-25 16:57                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-06-25 18:39                   ` David Heidelberg
2026-06-26  5:38                     ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
2026-06-26 14:11                       ` David Heidelberg
2026-06-26  7:42                   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski

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