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From: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>
To: Jarod Wilson <jarod@wilsonet.com>
Cc: Andy Walls <awalls@radix.net>,
	Christoph Bartelmus <lirc@bartelmus.de>,
	dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com, j@jannau.net, jarod@redhat.com,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, mchehab@redhat.com,
	superm1@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: Re: [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:53:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3fx827dgi.fsf@intrepid.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6D934408-B713-49B6-A197-46CE663455AC@wilsonet.com> (Jarod Wilson's message of "Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:32:40 -0500")

Jarod Wilson <jarod@wilsonet.com> writes:

> The bulk of breakage in lirc I've personally had to deal with has
> mostly come in the form of kernel interface changes, which would
> definitely be mitigated by not having to maintain the drivers
> out-of-tree any longer.

Certainly.

> Now, I'm all for "improving" things and integrating better with the
> input subsystem, but what I don't really want to do is break
> compatibility with the existing setups on thousands (and thousands?)
> of MythTV boxes around the globe. The lirc userspace can be pretty
> nimble. If we can come up with a shiny new way that raw IR can be
> passed out through an input device, I'm pretty sure lirc userspace can
> be adapted to handle that.

Lirc can already handle input layer. Since both ways require userspace
changes, why not do it the right way the first time? Most of the code
is already written.

> If a new input-layer-based transmit interface is developed, we can
> take advantage of that too. But there's already a very mature lirc
> interface for doing all of this. So why not start with adding things
> more or less as they exist right now and evolve the drivers into an
> idealized form? Getting *something* into the kernel in the first place
> is a huge step in that direction.

What I see as potentially problematic is breaking compatibility multiple
times.
-- 
Krzysztof Halasa

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-25 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-20 13:56 [PATCH 0/3 v2] linux infrared remote control drivers Jarod Wilson
2009-10-20 13:58 ` [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 11:47   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 12:36     ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 14:14       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 15:20         ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 16:53           ` James Mastros
2009-11-23 20:09             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 17:05           ` James Mastros
2009-11-23 17:12             ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 17:50             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 20:14               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 16:19         ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-23 17:39           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 20:23             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 12:16               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 18:18                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 19:06                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28  2:39                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28  2:54                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-28  9:43                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28 10:31                           ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 10:43                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-23 17:29         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 19:17           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 20:46             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 21:10             ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-24  4:18               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 20:41           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 12:36             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 13:22               ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 18:24               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 19:08                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 20:33                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 21:05                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 21:27                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 22:07                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-27  0:19                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  0:34                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-26 23:14                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 23:10                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 22:59                   ` Trent Piepho
2009-11-27  0:45                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  2:50                     ` hermann pitton
2009-11-26 20:37               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 20:59                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 22:05                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 22:14                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:09                   ` Trent Piepho
2009-11-23 17:37         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-23 20:51           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:21             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 17:46               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 17:50                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 21:39                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:13                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27  0:26                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:37                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-24  4:37           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-24 23:32             ` IR raw input is not sutable for input system Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-25  3:32               ` Trent Piepho
2009-11-25 13:28                 ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-25 21:32                   ` Sean Young
2009-11-25 22:30                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 22:52                       ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-26 18:36                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 17:18                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:41                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-25 17:12               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:38               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  5:31             ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: Re: [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  6:16               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 16:07                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:23                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  2:28                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-27  3:08                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  4:33                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  5:06                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27  7:33                           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27 15:33                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30  5:01                           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-27  4:30                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-23 21:11         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-23 21:46           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 21:54             ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 22:31               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-23 22:37                 ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-23 22:53                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-12 22:04                 ` david
2009-11-24  1:14             ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 13:25               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 13:48                 ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 16:35                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-24  0:53           ` Andy Walls
2009-11-24 13:32             ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 16:53               ` Krzysztof Halasa [this message]
2009-11-25 17:20                 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-25 17:40                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 18:07                     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 18:20                       ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-11-25 18:43                         ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 20:49                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  5:53                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 18:40                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 23:28                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  0:28                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 20:47                         ` [RFC] Should we create a raw input interface for IR's ? - Was: Re: [PATCH 1/3 v2] lirc core device driver infrastructure Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-25 21:58                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 22:31                           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-25 23:22                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26  7:28                               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26  8:39                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 16:41                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  4:26                           ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 14:45                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 15:48                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 16:03                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-26 23:45                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  3:50                         ` Andy Walls
2009-11-25 20:44                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  3:31                       ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26  4:00                         ` hermann pitton
2009-11-26  5:41                         ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 14:28                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-25 17:44                 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-25 19:27                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26  4:46                     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26  8:01                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26  8:08                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26 16:25                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 18:13                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 18:55                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 20:28                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 21:28                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-27  7:45                       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-26 13:54               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 17:32                 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 17:49                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 23:50                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-27  1:45                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-25 16:45             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-26 14:05               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26 19:43                 ` Andy Walls
2009-12-07 18:19                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-12-07 23:02                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08  2:42                     ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08  4:22                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 11:44                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:13                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 14:25                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 17:06                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 12:35                         ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08 12:52                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:40                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:01                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:16                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:31                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:40                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 16:19                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 23:30                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-09  0:04                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 17:16                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 13:30                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 13:47                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:59                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:19                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:34                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 15:56                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 16:27                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 18:15                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-09  0:28                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 16:22                                     ` Ferenc Wagner
2009-12-08 11:32                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 12:46                         ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08 17:19                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-09  0:07                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-26  5:49             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-26  6:23               ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26  9:14                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 17:15                   ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-26 12:28                 ` Andy Walls
2009-11-26 13:17             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-23 22:25       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-24 23:23       ` Matthieu CASTET
2009-10-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 2/3 v2] lirc driver for Windows MCE IR transceivers Jarod Wilson
2009-11-13 20:43   ` Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
2009-11-15  6:55     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 12:46   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-10-20 14:00 ` [PATCH 3/3 v2] lirc driver for SoundGraph iMON IR receivers and displays Jarod Wilson
2009-11-23 12:58   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-24  4:31     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-04 22:56 ` [PATCH 0/3 v2] linux infrared remote control drivers Jarod Wilson
2009-11-05  0:07   ` Andy Walls
2009-11-05  3:28     ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-05  0:31   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-05  3:41     ` Jarod Wilson

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