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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"Guozihua (Scott)" <guozihua@huawei.com>
Cc: "linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>,
	selinux@vger.kernel.org,
	"xiujianfeng@huawei.com" <xiujianfeng@huawei.com>,
	luhuaxin <luhuaxin1@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: Race conditioned discovered between ima_match_rules and ima_update_lsm_update_rules
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 14:30:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <649f9797ae80907aa72a8c0418a71df9eacdd1f5.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhRCt9UKih_VzawKr9dL5oZ7fgOoiU5edLp3hGZ2LkhAYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Scott, Paul,

On Tue, 2022-08-09 at 12:24 -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 11:19 PM Guozihua (Scott) <guozihua@huawei.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2022/8/8 11:02, Guozihua (Scott) wrote:
> > > Hi Community,
> > >
> > > Recently we discovered a race condition while updating SELinux policy
> > > with IMA lsm rule enabled. Which would lead to extra files being measured.
> > >
> > > While SELinux policy is updated, the IDs for object types and such would
> > > be changed, and ima_lsm_update_rules would be called.
> > >
> > > There are no lock applied in ima_lsm_update_rules. If user accesses a
> > > file during this time, ima_match_rules will be matching rules based on
> > > old SELinux au_seqno resulting in selinux_audit_rule_match returning
> > > -ESTALE.
> > >
> > > However, in ima_match_rules, this error number is not handled, causing
> > > IMA to think the LSM rule is also a match, leading to measuring extra
> > > files.
> 
> ...
> 
> > > Is this the intended behavior? Or is it a good idea to add a lock for
> > > LSM rules during update?
> 
> I'm not the IMA expert here, but a lot of effort has been into the
> SELinux code to enable lockless/RCU SELinux policy access and I
> *really* don't want to have to backtrack on that.

IMA initially updated it's reference to the SELinux label ids lazily. 
More recently IMA refreshes the LSM label ids based on
register_blocking_lsm_notifier().  As a result of commit 9ad6e9cb39c6
("selinux: fix race between old and new sidtab"), -ESTALE is now being
returned.

- How likely is it if one SELinux label is stale that other labels are
stale as well? 
- Perhaps SELinux is calling the call_blocking_lsm_notifier() too
early.  Or does SELinux need to call the notifier again after
addressing the ESTALE ids?

thanks,

Mimib


  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-14 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-08  3:02 Race conditioned discovered between ima_match_rules and ima_update_lsm_update_rules Guozihua (Scott)
2022-08-08  3:19 ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-08-09 16:24   ` Paul Moore
2022-08-14 18:30     ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2022-08-15 22:23       ` Paul Moore
2022-08-17  7:17         ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-08-17  7:20           ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-08-17 19:26             ` Mimi Zohar
2022-08-17 20:49               ` Paul Moore
2022-08-18  1:12                 ` Guozihua (Scott)

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