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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huaweicloud.com>,
	Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li>,
	Peter Huewe <peterhuewe@gmx.de>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	zohar@linux.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] tpm: Allow for exclusive TPM access when using /dev/tpm<n>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2025 22:18:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aP_Tfl9B-CW49ukN@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <feb863c3e73f0b73b53d7d6f9889c79d37476855.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 04:09:35PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Mon, 2025-10-27 at 21:38 +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 01:53:30PM +0200, Roberto Sassu wrote:
> [...]
> > > Hi Jonathan
> > > 
> > > do I understand it correctly, that a process might open the TPM
> > > with O_EXCL, and this will prevent IMA from extending a PCR until
> > > that process closes the file descriptor?
> > > 
> > > If yes, this might be a concern, and I think an additional API to
> > > prevent such behavior would be needed (for example when IMA is
> > > active, i.e. there is a measurement policy loaded).
> > 
> > Also this would be a problem with hwrng.
> > 
> > This probably needs to be refined somehow. I don't have a solution at
> > hand but "invariant" is that in-kernel caller should override user
> > space exclusion, even when O_EXCL is used.
> 
> Also, are we sure we need O_EXCL in the first place?  A well
> functioning TPM is supposed to be able to cope with field upgrade while
> it receives other commands.  When it's in this state, it's supposed to
> return TPM_RC_UPGRADE to inappropriate commands, so if we made sure we
> can correctly handle that in the kernel, that might be enough to get
> all this to work correctly without needing an exclusive open.
> 
> Of course, Field Upgrade is likely to be the least well tested of any
> TPM capability, so there's a good chance at least one TPM out there
> isn't going to behave as the standard says it should.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James

I get that depending on configuration someone really would want to
have guaranteed exclusive access to the device. Since it is opt-in
via O_EXCL, I don't have anything in principle againts adding it.

The patch set needs rework but feature itself is totally fine.

BR, Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-27 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-02 17:26 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Re-establish ability for exclusive TPM access to userspace Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-02 17:26 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] tpm: Ensure exclusive userspace access when using /dev/tpm<n> Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-03 19:22   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-09-02 17:27 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] tpm: Remove tpm_find_get_ops Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-10 16:54   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-09-02 17:27 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] tpm: Allow for exclusive TPM access when using /dev/tpm<n> Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-10 17:04   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-09-02 17:27 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] tpm: Require O_EXCL for exclusive /dev/tpm access Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-10 17:06   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-09-23 17:09 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Re-establish ability for exclusive TPM access to userspace Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-23 17:10   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] tpm: Ensure exclusive userspace access when using /dev/tpm<n> Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-24  1:14     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-09-23 17:10   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] tpm: Remove tpm_find_get_ops Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-24  1:19     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-09-23 17:10   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] tpm: Allow for exclusive TPM access when using /dev/tpm<n> Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-24  1:22     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-09-23 17:10   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] tpm: Require O_EXCL for exclusive /dev/tpm access Jonathan McDowell
2025-09-24  1:23     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-10-20 11:30   ` [PATCH v3 0/4] pm: Ensure exclusive userspace access when using /dev/tpm<n> Jonathan McDowell
2025-10-20 11:30     ` [PATCH v3 1/4] tpm: Remove tpm_find_get_ops Jonathan McDowell
2025-10-20 11:30     ` [PATCH v3 2/4] tpm: Add O_EXCL for exclusive /dev/tpm access Jonathan McDowell
2025-10-20 11:30     ` [PATCH v3 3/4] tpm: Include /dev/tpmrm<n> when checking exclusive userspace TPM access Jonathan McDowell
2025-10-20 11:31     ` [PATCH v3 4/4] tpm: Allow for exclusive TPM access when using /dev/tpm<n> Jonathan McDowell
2025-10-20 11:53       ` Roberto Sassu
2025-10-23 14:24         ` Jonathan McDowell
2025-10-27 19:38         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-10-27 20:09           ` James Bottomley
2025-10-27 20:18             ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2025-11-03 18:38           ` Jonathan McDowell
2025-11-09  4:34             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-10-24 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 0/4] pm: Ensure exclusive userspace " Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-10-27 11:50       ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-27 19:41         ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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