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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Khan, Shuah" <shuah.khan-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>,
	"iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org"
	<iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Mingarelli,
	Thomas" <Thomas.Mingarelli-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Intel IOMMU patch to reprocess RMRR info
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:23:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1348827803.2036.121.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120928094625.GI10549-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>


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On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 11:46 +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> Even on modern hardware with modern (IOMMU aware) kernels there is still
> this small time window when the OS has enabled the IOMMU and the USB
> driver is not initialized yet. In this time window the RMRR memory
> region is still necessary, no?

Yes but there's no *reason* for that. It wouldn't be that hard to ask
the firmware to quiesce all its own DMA *before* we enable the IOMMU.

> As I said already in another mail, I think it is safe to ignore any RMRR
> requirements when we start to use a device in the OS.

I think the whole point in this patch is that there is some brain-dead
hardware out there (vendor 'value subtract' I think) on which that
common-sense observation isn't actually true.

I'm all for handling that broken hardware with quirks, giving clear
messages to the user that the device(+firmware) in question is broken,
and refusing to let either the kernel *or* VM guests do any DMA with it.

-- 
dwmw2

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-09-28 10:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-18 16:49 [PATCH v2] Intel IOMMU patch to reprocess RMRR info Tom Mingarelli
     [not found] ` <20120918164955.12296.28799.sendpatchset-jP8EmR9A9vELnkn81s9yt/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-18 17:46   ` Don Dutile
2012-09-27 20:36   ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]     ` <1348778200.2320.241.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-27 21:10       ` Mingarelli, Thomas
     [not found]         ` <9774516974AF5F4C8A2C3C69CD3412332338F452-KNyhpuZufFMSZAcGdq5asR6epYMZPwEe5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-27 21:34           ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]             ` <1348781647.2320.264.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-27 21:50               ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                 ` <1348782605.2036.117.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28  9:46                   ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]                     ` <20120928094625.GI10549-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 10:23                       ` David Woodhouse [this message]
     [not found]                         ` <1348827803.2036.121.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 12:03                           ` Joerg Roedel
2012-09-27 21:50               ` Linda Knippers
     [not found]                 ` <5064CA2D.3030206-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-27 21:48                   ` Mingarelli, Thomas
2012-09-27 21:52                   ` Alex Williamson
2012-09-28  9:43               ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]                 ` <20120928094301.GH10549-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 12:40                   ` Alex Williamson
     [not found]                     ` <1348836008.2320.284.camel-85EaTFmN5p//9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 12:52                       ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]                         ` <20120928125246.GK10549-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 13:21                           ` Alex Williamson
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2012-09-18 17:27 Tom Mingarelli
2012-09-28 15:52 David Woodhouse
     [not found] ` <uh6q9m8bwu6c2jov69m2aivu.1348847561292-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 16:30   ` Alex Williamson
2012-09-28 16:36   ` Linda Knippers
     [not found]     ` <5065D1F5.1090003-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 17:01       ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]         ` <20120928170106.GE18962-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 17:06           ` Joerg Roedel
2012-09-28 17:28           ` Alex Williamson
2012-09-28 19:15       ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]         ` <1348859719.2036.128.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-28 19:21           ` Mingarelli, Thomas
2012-09-28 19:35           ` Shuah Khan

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